Benzino Talks SAVING 50 Cent, Brawl With The LOX/DMX And CRAZY Mark Wahlberg Story!!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I normally don't introduce people, but I'm gonna introduce him because he's a special person in my life that I've known for a long time. It seemed like it's been some decades, maybe about three going on four decades. A lot that I've known. This man right here. He goes by many names. I met him as Ray Dog. Then he was Benzino, the Almighty rso, a part of that group. Zeno. You Xeno for a while, right? You Zeno for a while. Zeno. Now you just Benzino. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Benzino saying, yeah, this is. Hey, Dog. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:37] Speaker B: When I met you and you was Dog, I was like, oh, okay, you're gonna ride on our bus, you know. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:00:43] Speaker A: I definitely was on the RSO tour bus that you got from Marky Mark. [00:00:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we got from that situation. Absolutely. Yep. We got from that situation, man. Cause he had. He was gonna wear. He was gonna wear our colors, and, you know, we was young, crazy, man. Wild. And, of course, I don't. You know, I look at all my actions when I talk about these things or, you know, as. As you get older, you look back and be like, man, what. What was I thinking about? But he. He was. He was gonna wear the Bruins on Arsenio hall. And. And we got. You know, we be like, look, you know, we burying dudes in that, you know. You know, because we was ganged out, and we did deepen the. You know, every block, every hood, every project had their own colors. [00:01:29] Speaker A: And y' all was the Boston Bruins. [00:01:31] Speaker B: It was the Boston Bruins, the black and gold. So I said, look, you know, Donnie had got in contact with me, his brother, Donnie Wahlberg. So I said, look, you know, he can't do that, man. Tell him to wear Celtics. Tell him to wear. Yeah, tell him to wear red socks. [00:01:47] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Saying any. You know, I get it. If you want to represent Boston, business he can't wait to ruin, because it's going to be too many guys that's going to be upset, right? He said, hey, man, I really can't talk to him. You know, he does his own thing. [00:02:02] Speaker C: You know, he wore it anyway, Right? [00:02:05] Speaker B: No, we ended up catching him at the practice facility, like, two nights earlier before he was flying out and caught a couple of guys, put him in the hospital. They rushed Markey through, like, some type of back door, trap door. The practice hall was Mike Messina's practice room. A lot of major rock bands would go practice there. And it was right by Fenway park, and they were standing in front, and we kind of was like, up on, like, in some bushes. And so we deep. And we got a couple cars coming through, and we trying to, like, ambush these. And, man, we. And we caught a couple of. Couple of guys, didn't make it, and they ended up. He ended up wearing Chicago white socks. So that's how I met Dick, Scott's manager, man. And, you know, he gave me some money, gave me the tour bus, man. And, you know, but actually, the relationship with him was all worth it because he was an amazing guy. Black guy, older guy. [00:02:57] Speaker A: I remember the color. It was like a champagne color. The tour bus was like a champagne color. I remember it. [00:03:02] Speaker B: That was our first tour bus. [00:03:04] Speaker A: That was our first tour. That was our first tour. I was there. So before we get into that, what the hell is going on with you and Yayo, man? [00:03:12] Speaker B: Oh, man. I mean, he. You know these dudes with their stories, right? [00:03:17] Speaker C: I'm saying, right? [00:03:18] Speaker B: Like, come on, man. Like, you know. You know what the crazy should be when this. This is Internet. When you. When. When you rehashing, that's like 20 years old, 30 years old. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Right? [00:03:29] Speaker A: Right. [00:03:29] Speaker B: And you're making it new beef. 30 years old. Like, we all had a big. 40s, 50s. And see, I'm 60. Like, why. Why are we. Why are we talking these. Why are we talking about these stories other than you trying to clown me, trying to disrespect me? Because there's no reason for you to be mentioning those stories. Like, he know. He's seen on Vlad. He says he seen me and gave me a pass. And like, bro, like, are you kidding me? Like, I got kids right now. Like, not that I would. I'm worse than. But like, you think that I'm just gonna now not say nothing, you know, about this? And it's sad that I have to, because he's rehashing it. It is. It. It's sad. It's sad that I gotta. You know, you got to go back to that. To that foolishness type of character and attitude. But, you know, he just got a big mouth, man. You know what I'm saying? And. And I get it. I get the tough guy image work for them back in the day, but it's like they haven't grown up. Like, they still. They still want to carry that image. And, you know, a lot of their fans of Eminem fans, stands, white fans. They have the luxury of millions and millions of their fans. So whatever they do that, what they don't understand is, you know, because every. Everybody's. Everybody works off the clicks and Comments. That's their motivation. They don't understand that they. They don't have no problem watching black men kill each other. [00:04:54] Speaker A: Did y' all ever run into each [00:04:56] Speaker B: other, though, sitting back, hyping it up now, in Miami 30 years ago, you know what I'm saying? And. And him and his man jumped out. Lodi Mac jumped out. You know what I'm saying? This is when we was going through the shit with Eminem, and, you know, he. His man. He flashed. You know, he showed he had the blip. I was jeweled up, dog. I had, like. I had all my jewelry on. This is like 12 in the afternoon on Collins Avenue. Right? On Collins Avenue. So I didn't have him strapped. I didn't think I. I didn't think I needed one. The pulled up in a. A black Suburban truck. Him and him and him get out. He's like, what's up? You want it? You want it? I'm standing like, what's up? That's the only thing I really said was, what's up? I stood there, and Hawk was my man. Hawk was there and his man, you know, jumping around screaming. And, you know, he went to grab it, but he really didn't pull it out. And then all you heard was like a scream, like, get back in the car. Get back in the car. FEMALE Hawks Hawk said he seen 50 in the car. I didn't see 50, but where Hawk was standing, maybe he's seen him. I don't know. He said he rolled the window down or whatever. But, you know, if that was me and my. We would have stripped everything. Everything would have came off. Everything. I had over a million dollars worth of jewelry on. Easily maybe a million and a half, right? Easily close to two, baby, right? [00:06:14] Speaker A: You had. You had that Hangman 3 chain on. You had the 3 chain. [00:06:17] Speaker B: I had Hangman 3. I had the xeno piece. The xeno piece was. I paid 8 cash for that from Jacob with the platinum and. And Cuban, the double, you know what I'm saying? Then I had the gladiator, you know what I'm saying? The platinum gladiator that I had, that was like 400,000. I had the masterpiece Rolex on, Chunky bracelet, Chunky everything. I know if it was me and my. Everything would have came off. He said that, that. That he asked me if I wanted to pass. I don't remember all that. I just remember. I remember I'm looking at the. With the gun, right? You know what I'm saying? [00:06:49] Speaker C: Right? [00:06:49] Speaker B: You know, he was. He was talking. I wasn't even paying attention to him. I'm watching the other. [00:06:53] Speaker C: Right. [00:06:54] Speaker B: And. And you know, and then they. And then they. And then they bounced. So my thing is, why would you even bring that up? [00:07:00] Speaker C: Right? Right. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Unless. Unless you still thinking like, okay, like, yeah, like Ouija in it. And I can say whatever the I want to say. And he's like, that's not how this work out here. Man is dying every day out here for, for silly. I don't want to get caught up in those stupid. But what about. What else am I supposed to say? Right? Yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker C: I mean, right, right, right. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Come on, man. And then I'm saying, look, hey, let's go make some money, you know? You know, 50, I guess. You know, I get it. 50, you know, ain't gonna box me, but me and you and Yayo can get in the ring. I'm sure we can pull a million dollars off of that fight. Celebrity boxing. [00:07:35] Speaker C: Right? Right. [00:07:36] Speaker B: You know, maybe more. [00:07:37] Speaker A: Maybe more. Maybe more. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Maybe more. Like, why not? I need it. I'm sure he needs it. [00:07:42] Speaker C: Right? [00:07:44] Speaker B: You know, I just don't. I just, I'm not trying to use, you know, I'm gonna end up doing a podcast. I'm sure you're not going to use the platform to be, you know, to, to. To fight and have shootouts with at this age. [00:07:56] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:07:56] Speaker B: I got great. I got grandkids now. You know what I'm saying? [00:07:59] Speaker A: Public grandkids. [00:08:00] Speaker B: Public, public grandkids. It's crazy, you know, So I don't, you know, I'm not again like this. I don't like, like this, bro. But you know me, dog. [00:08:09] Speaker A: You know I know you. [00:08:10] Speaker B: I know you know what I'm saying. [00:08:11] Speaker A: You know, it's funny. Let me say something to you, bro. I'm surprised that people be playing with you a certain way. [00:08:17] Speaker B: I know it be only on here though. [00:08:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz, cuz, cuz, cuz I know you. And if know me know I don't really co sign no unless I know them in the flesh. And I'm like, nah, don't play with that like that in the street or no like that. So even when you like when people be playing with you, I be certain way I'm like, yo, you know that you up like, like for real. [00:08:40] Speaker C: For real. [00:08:41] Speaker B: See, I just noticed the Internet. So now I've come after all these years. I figured it out. [00:08:45] Speaker A: I get it took you a while. Remember I called you one day. I called you one day, I said, yo, my. Yeah, this is how this Internet thing is, this is how you got to navigate. Because this ain't what you think it is. Like you can't win A while. Yeah, that was like seven years ago. I'm like, you can't win, bro. You can't. When it's. When it's a narrative about you. When people think what they think, that's just what it is. [00:09:09] Speaker B: You gotta let them. Because this is what I do know, doggy. This. This is the true facts. There is 100% two different worlds. There's the Internet and then there's outside. [00:09:18] Speaker C: Right? [00:09:19] Speaker B: And you know, and what. What a lot of people don't realize, and I noticed for a fact too, is that, you know, let's take Instagram, there's like what, 300 million people on Instagram, right, that. That subscribed, I guess, to Instagram. About 300 million. If is getting 2 and 3 and 4 or 5000 comments, they happy. They're like, that's a lot of interaction. [00:09:41] Speaker C: Right, Right, right. [00:09:42] Speaker B: But 2,3000 out of 300 million is not a lot. Yeah, it's a very. It's a very, very small speck of who is really even checking into that type of. [00:09:55] Speaker C: Right. [00:09:55] Speaker B: That's all I'm saying. You know? You know what I'm saying? There's a lot more interesting than always. Beef. Beef. Beef. And telling war stories and trying to hype them up and look to. Obviously nowadays street have definitely crossed over to the Internet. Like the. That's getting out of jail. The. The real. That have real street history and everybody knows it are now coming on to the Internet. So ultimately, who are Internet tough and Internet storied out are gonna get called the out because you understand. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Because can't vouch for you. Yeah. Ain't gonna be able to vouch for you with certain. Yeah, yeah. So you, You. You call them out. You wanted. You want to celebrity boxing, but you called out 50 first, right? If I'm not mistaken, you called out 50 to fight at first, right? [00:10:48] Speaker B: I mean, look, this is my thing. Every time this comes up, where is talking? I think the most best way I can capitalize off, because I'm trying to capitalize. I ain't. You know what I'm saying? I really ain't. Like, I don't look at this as no real violent beef. I don't look at it. So you look, people want us. People have been seeing us going at each other for years and years. Why not? Let's just go and get in the ring and get some money. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Right? [00:11:14] Speaker B: Why not? Like, you know, Billy McFarlane was gonna put give 52 5.5 million and give me a million to go three rounds. [00:11:24] Speaker C: Damn. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Like I'm going three rounds with anybody for that. Right, Right. [00:11:29] Speaker C: Right now. [00:11:30] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [00:11:31] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:11:34] Speaker A: So no, no worry back from Yayo. Nobody. [00:11:37] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know, man. You know what I'm saying? This is like I said, I don't even like doing this like this. [00:11:42] Speaker C: Right. [00:11:42] Speaker B: I just wish. I just wish would leave. Leave my name out their mouth. But I guess my mouth gets, you know, when you mention my name you get clicks and comments and algorithm, your algorithm go up. So I get it, I get it now. So I don't take, I don't take it that serious. So, you know, if want to troll, if that's what it is, trolling. I understand the trolling. Okay, so Xeno's trolling, right? Here we go. Yeah, Xeno's trolling now. [00:12:05] Speaker A: I'm saying you, you've done a lot in your career. What's your proudest moment [00:12:12] Speaker B: career wise? Yes, you're gonna laugh, but man, there's a bunch of them, man. And you know, I. I just know when I went solo, it was. It was a uncertain time of mine. You know, the made men have broke up and I'd never been solo before and it was kind of, I don't want to say scared, you know, but I just was a little uncertain. It was uncharted waters for me. I had been in the RSO and I put together the Wise guys, Untouchables. Always a group first type of guy. And when, you know, it was like I either. It was like I wasn't going to be in no more groups after being with those guys. Autumn years. So I said, look, listen, my last hurrah's gonna try this solo thing if it works. If it doesn't, who knows what's going to happen to my career. And I just remember me two times and God rest jb, you know, we got a studio and we made bank to this, man. And you know, we ended up, you know, we produced it ourselves, you know, and man, Funk Master. I ended up getting a deal with Motown Records and Funk Master and Funk Master Flex dropped bombs on bang to this. Like, I remember that vividly because, you know, all the years of going to New York and you know when you hear Hot 97, that's. That was like the wizard of Oz. That's like when you first get to get to Oz. [00:13:41] Speaker A: The Holy Grail. It's the Holy Grail. [00:13:43] Speaker C: Yep. [00:13:44] Speaker B: When you're driving from Boston, you're going into New York. That's like going into Oz, Right? Right. And Flex, at the time was the wizard, you feel me? And listen to him. If. If he dropped bombs on your. That was the equivalent of getting, you know, five mics damn near in the sh. On the COVID of Source. You know, it really. You know, you got the whole New York City, the Mecca and the surrounding areas listening. [00:14:08] Speaker C: Right. [00:14:08] Speaker B: That had never happened in my career. Any other songs I had did. Never had. Got Flex to do that. And surely nobody just, like, paid him or anything. Did it on his own. Man, we have one day. We in. I'm at the Source, I think, office. I don't know where I was. We in New York two times, called me and said, yo, Flex is dropping bombs on him. I swear to God, almost, man. I got really emotional, right? I got emotional because, first of all, I wasn't even supposed to be solo because it was always guys in my group, always the guys in my group and that were better than me. I always felt I would. I felt like I didn't have to be the best because I was kind of like the face of the groups, the head of the group. So I would always have nice. You know what I'm saying? And I would. I would make sure people know that. I was proud of that. But when it had to go solo, it's like, damn, boy, you got to do this on your own. And when he dropped them bombs on it, man, that was a proud moment. Yeah. My career, you know, I had a lot of them, but that was. That was because all. Everything was stacked up against me. And Lord knows, I didn't think I'd be on Motown Records, like, you know, Come on. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Like, right. [00:15:18] Speaker B: To me, that was. That was big because I grew up listening to Moto. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Was that through Flavor Unit or that was just you? [00:15:24] Speaker B: No, that was. That was through Key, Dog. [00:15:28] Speaker C: Right. [00:15:29] Speaker B: Yo, when. [00:15:29] Speaker A: When shout out to Keith because he had d' Angelo and Erica at that time, too, man. [00:15:34] Speaker B: D', Angelo. That's why, you know? Yeah, d', Angelo, man. Got to meet d', Angelo. You know what I'm saying? That's why when he passed, I was like, damn. [00:15:42] Speaker A: You know, he been to the block, too, remember? My block? You came to the block, too? [00:15:45] Speaker B: My crib, of course. [00:15:46] Speaker A: He been there, too. He been there, too. [00:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:48] Speaker A: Yes. Biggie, you know, everybody been in my crib. [00:15:50] Speaker C: I was. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Come on, man. And, you know, I remember, man, we was in Queensbridge in 94 with mob D recipes to p. We went there to shoot the War Zone video. So we was inside Queensbridge, and, like, you know, I mean, I beat. Listen, man, Throg's Neck projects. We shot a video when I'd be all, you know, les projects with Ray Ray's video and K Sean like myself. [00:16:15] Speaker C: Right. [00:16:15] Speaker B: Shot of those. You know what I'm saying? [00:16:16] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:16:17] Speaker B: So you think about it, you know. You know, I mean, like, I always. You know, my roots are from New York. [00:16:22] Speaker A: I'm gonna say, how you got so much. So much New York love? Cause, you know, we supposed to hate y' all from Boston. [00:16:27] Speaker B: Well, see, because look it, I was born in Boston, but it was a technicality because my fault, my. My father was living in New York, dating my mother in Boston, driving to go see her. [00:16:37] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay. [00:16:38] Speaker B: So. But. But my grandmother lived in Coney Island Project. [00:16:44] Speaker A: I keep telling people about Coney Island. They think that is some Ferris wheel. Himalaya. Oh, hell no. You go out there with that. Yeah. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Elevators that don't work. Oh, no, no. The terraces that go. Everybody's built, like, the one terrace for everybody. [00:17:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:17:01] Speaker B: He's like, bro, like, only on projects. But, you know, I. I didn't. When you were a kid, you don't see that. You just. I'm coming from Boston, and these projects are way bigger than the projects in Boston. Like, New York's crazy. And then my grandfather lived in the Bronx, and right there on Fordham Road, right before Jimmy's was Jimmy's, my father lived in a house on Steven Avenue. And on the corner before Jimmy's was Jimmy's, it was a parking lot. There was, like, a used car parking lot. Then it was Jimmy's. [00:17:31] Speaker C: Right. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Like, I was going to my grandfathers and grandmothers back and forth on summers, Christmases, Thanksgiving, you know what I'm saying? So I'm always in. And my grandfather was just a few blocks over from Sedgwick, where hip hop, you know, arguably, you know what I'm saying? [00:17:48] Speaker A: I'm gonna say arguably because I. Well, I'm from Brooklyn. I want to take claim in that, too. Grandmaster Flowers and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that. [00:17:55] Speaker B: I know, I know. But it's like, you know what? The reason the Bronx was important. And I say this because at that time in New York, people would understand. Like, when you looked at the Bronx in the 70s up, you know. [00:18:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:09] Speaker A: Abandoned buildings, burning tires, it wasn't, you know, what looked like that, though. East New York. Like that, though. East New York. [00:18:15] Speaker B: I Don't think anywhere in Brooklyn looked like for the past. [00:18:17] Speaker A: East New York, bro. Yeah, East New York. Listen, let me tell you what's deeper about East New York. East New York, that's where Murder Inc. Is from. The real Murder Inc. The, the Italian, Maya Lansky and all of them, right? So that's where the bodies used to be in East New York. They had burning tires, empty lots. That's where they used to bury all of them in East New York. Look crazy, bro, because it was no buildings. It was just a bunch of vacant lots with brush, stray dogs everywhere. I know what you're saying about [00:18:52] Speaker B: Bronx, [00:18:52] Speaker A: the Bronx, but the east looked crazy too. They, they just built it. But, but it really can't compare a little bit. I know what you're saying. [00:18:59] Speaker B: I mean, the Bronx, see the Bronx. And I say that to say this, like if, if hip hop burst out of the Bronx like that, that was what America, you know, because remember all the Caribbean people were moving to the Bronx because that was, that was the cheapest place to live, right? You know what I'm saying? So the conditions that America had, you know, black and Latino in was right there, right? And you know, those was fucked up conditions. And for hip hop to come out of that, that, that's why, I hope that's why, you know, I really, when it comes to hip hop in the streets, I want people to really understand why it's important why I ride so hard for that. Because that is where it came from. [00:19:43] Speaker C: Right? Right. Right. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Now, yes, college niggas can come through and the working class and everybody else can be a part of it. [00:19:49] Speaker C: Right? [00:19:49] Speaker B: But where it came from was the worst of what America had to offer for black and Latino people. [00:19:56] Speaker C: Right? Right, right. [00:19:57] Speaker B: That's important to me. [00:19:59] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Because it's a multi trillion dollar industry that everybody eats now. That saved our communities and culture. Think about it. And it came from that. [00:20:09] Speaker A: And we the last people to get some bread off of it. You know what I'm saying? We the. We the. Yeah. When you, when you had the, when you was at the source, the five mic system, I always was tripping off that. Was you involved in the five mic system? [00:20:26] Speaker B: No, I mean, not the five mic system was, you know, you gotta understand, look, so when, when Dave had an idea about the source, he wanted, he, he basically wanted to take Rolling Stones blueprint, okay? I mean, Rolling Stone was the, was the premier magazine for rock, for rock and roll. Right now, here comes hip hop. Dave was like, look, hip hop's gonna be just as Big as rock and roll. And we need to be the Rolling Stone of hip hop. The Source. That was the initial. So when you looked at Rolling Stone back then, they was rating albums, and they had the system. They had albums they didn't have. Like, you get three albums, you know what I'm saying? They didn't have the mics. So that. So that was the whole idea. And how that's done is the. The staff of the magazine rates the mites. You bring everybody in, into a room, you know what I'm saying? They got weed, they got the drink, they got whatever. And it's a. It's a. It's an intense thing because the whole office shuts down when they do that. And, you know, Dave will get the albums, and certain journalists could get albums early, you know, not everybody could get them early, you know what I'm saying? Like, before they come out, you know what I'm saying? Like, we getting all the albums. [00:21:36] Speaker C: Right? [00:21:37] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [00:21:38] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:38] Speaker B: And so you'd have everybody back then. You'd have everybody, like the art directors, journalists, you know, the photographers. Everybody involved with. With the staff would be back then. And the staff was pretty. You know, I mean, they was. They had a pretty diverse staff. [00:21:57] Speaker A: I just say, because Ms. Info comes from there, came. Osario comes from there. A lot of people come from, you [00:22:02] Speaker B: know, I mean, you know, but the thing was, these are all college kids, right? [00:22:07] Speaker C: Right. [00:22:07] Speaker B: And I think that's where people don't understand where me and how I came in and brought a crew of street guys and was hiring. Like, Carlito Rodriguez came out of jail. I gave him a big job because he was a hell of a writer. And I gave him the chance. People was like. People at the Source was really, like, kind of like questioning me for that. But he turned out really dope. And Carlito's doing amazing things on TV with Empire and movies and, you know, it's like. You know what I'm saying? I always just wanted to give the streets a chance. [00:22:35] Speaker A: Did you hire. Did you hire a star in Bakwa, too? [00:22:38] Speaker B: I gave him the. I gave him this. Wendy Starbuck, Wild Fence magazine. Gave him an office. I always. Damn, anything that. Anything that you've seen that had nothing to do with college, right? Benzino. That was Benzino's hire. Because you gotta understand everybody's sources from college, right? So everybody's having a college point of view. And what happens with college? Usually you get shipped off. So you away from the streets for years, right? You ain't on the block. [00:23:03] Speaker A: You never was in the streets in the first place because you were college. [00:23:05] Speaker B: And that's okay. [00:23:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Because look, you. You in the household, there's two brothers. One hit the streets. It's. It's boys in the hood, right? You know what I'm saying? You know, doughboy hit the streets and you know what I'm saying, his brothers in football, you know, that's what it is. The brother was sheltered. Still knew everybody because he still lived there, but he wasn't. He was sheltered from violence and sheltered from drugs and sheltered from what. What's going on. Whereas that doughboys knee deep in it, right? They both ended up getting killed because they live in that environment. [00:23:34] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [00:23:35] Speaker B: But. But. But the thing is that's what. What's important to me and not that. And yes, you know, hip hop is where the only thing where it merged it within the culture, college and street. And that's what made it. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Because college radio used to be the biggest thing for us. The Gavin. Cmj. Yeah. Gavin and cmj. Yeah. That was big. [00:24:00] Speaker B: It was the only thing they would. [00:24:01] Speaker A: These. These kids wouldn't even know nothing about [00:24:03] Speaker B: the radio station in Boston. It has to come from college. Wow. Hip hop. [00:24:07] Speaker C: Wow. [00:24:09] Speaker A: Yo, you know what messed my head up? I didn't even know you got into it with the locks. This is before Tommy Steam or after. [00:24:17] Speaker B: This was after Tommy's theme. This was after Thomas. [00:24:21] Speaker A: How the hell y' all get into it? It was cool though. [00:24:24] Speaker B: It was. It wasn't. It had nothing to do with them. It was like a crazy misunderstanding in the fact that just. Just dumb shit just Right. Right turn of events. It's like, man, one thing about. One thing about hip hop, everybody has, you know, you. You give your jobs and you have a bunch of around you and you try to organize it to be as professional as possible. But when it be a lot of. From the streets involved all kind of. And that it had nothing to do with the locks in Made, man. I mean, nothing. Nothing to do with Jada Chic Styles, Benzino E Jesus to. Nothing to do with us. [00:24:58] Speaker C: Right? [00:24:58] Speaker B: All right. So this is. You know what I'm saying? So it just was a misunderstanding, man. You know, we on tour and one of the guys. There was a Def Jam promotion bus and Jermaine, one of our guys that we had put on the bus. The bus goes out before everybody else bus goes to. So the bus goes to the cities first. So they can put the poster boards all over the city. So, you know, right by the stadium. So when, you know, people come in, you feel me? [00:25:25] Speaker A: Street team, we hang up the snipes and everything like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:25:29] Speaker B: You know, old school type, you know. [00:25:30] Speaker C: Right. [00:25:30] Speaker B: And he used to do a hell of a job. Where we be coming through. It'd be more made men than did than Rough Riders and cash money. [00:25:37] Speaker C: Right? [00:25:37] Speaker B: Be mad at that. Don't like this. So something happened the way that he had X had some chick. Rest in peace. To the legend. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Rest in peace. [00:25:49] Speaker B: That's some chick that was in Virginia, I think, or Baltimore, I don't know. And I think Jermaine chick was downstairs with an ex's hotel room. Was like, where the is xx? Jermaine and the girl ended up kicking it. Jermaine ends up smashing the chick on the Def Jam bus. Def Jam rep comes in, was like, yo, that's ex's girl. They end up getting into a beef on the bus. They sent Jermaine. They sent Jermaine home. We had to stop in Ohio. We skipped Ohio and kept coming to Boston because we had two shows in Boston. We want to be ready. And I flew Jermaine to Boston. We do the first show sold out. Fleet center killed it, destroyed it. That was another proud moment. We had to try so hard to rock big arenas and man, we killed that, man. That was another proud moment. Made man at the Fleet center the second night, you know, mind you, you know, we. We get an extra search because they got the gang task force there, the Fed today, all kind of people, state troopers. So we can't get no. No weapons in usually until we get. We get into blixing with. With Jeff's turntable, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because we're going through metal detectors. And we couldn't do that in Boston because they was actually searching the coffins. [00:27:02] Speaker C: Right. [00:27:03] Speaker B: So we ended up getting. I remember the second show we had Prince performing. It goes us, Cash Money, then Rough Riders and we. And when we're on the road, we always. After we rock, we go home. You know, we got rules. You know, we don't stay around because too many of us. I don't want anybody getting problems. We rock a show, we get back to the hotel, we don't even watch. You know what I mean? If there's after party, we figure it out, but we usually get back to the hotel. I ain't trying to nothing up, you know what I'm saying? One of the. With a chick or somebody's chick, anything can happen, bro. You know what I mean? [00:27:39] Speaker A: North Carolina Sauce Tour. Remember [00:27:42] Speaker B: Red Hot Love at Home? [00:27:43] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:27:44] Speaker B: With somebody's. [00:27:46] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [00:27:48] Speaker B: It was about to him up. I had to whip out the strap. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:52] Speaker B: And make sure everybody got on the bus good. [00:27:54] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? [00:27:55] Speaker B: Yeah. This was the 91. 91. You know what I mean? I was like, damn, boy. I didn't even know him. [00:28:02] Speaker C: But right. [00:28:02] Speaker B: You know, we was all together that [00:28:04] Speaker A: ended up becoming the legendary Track Masters. Ain't that bugged out. He ended up becoming track Masters, the biggest producers in the culture, and you saved them. But. Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:14] Speaker B: I wonder if he remembers that. You think he do, dog? [00:28:17] Speaker A: Yeah, he. They remember everything because he don't smoke a drink, so. He remember. He don't. He better remember. He better remember. That was real, bro. [00:28:25] Speaker B: That. [00:28:25] Speaker A: Yo, that was real out there. But we'll get to that. [00:28:28] Speaker B: I say 52. What about that? [00:28:30] Speaker A: We gonna get into that, too. So the Fleet Center. How did y'. [00:28:34] Speaker C: All. [00:28:35] Speaker A: How did y'. [00:28:35] Speaker B: All. So. So. So the second show, we decide we deep. We got family, friends, everything. We on the side of the stage. We bout 30, 40 deep. So we said, we gonna sit and watch these perform. We gonna watch Cash Money. We watching them. And then Queen Pen, at the time that came upstairs, she was crying like, yo, X is downstairs in the dressing room saying, where's Ray? Where's Jermaine? Where's Ray? Where's Jermaine? And, yo, he been talking about some problems. I'm like, what? What? So we went downstairs. I. I grabbed just. I said, look, everybody wait here. Nobody. I'm just going with three. We don't need to all go down there. You know what I'm saying? Because I already know. You go down in deep, it's gonna be, you know, I already be knowing things. I'd be trying to chill before it get crazy. Oh, no, come on. Does everything be on my. So we go downstairs and we go. You know, these. These are small hallways downstairs. [00:29:36] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:29:37] Speaker B: Blasting right. You can't even hear. You can't even hear yourself talk. I'm saying, where's X? Where's X? I seen Ice Pick J. Rest in peace. [00:29:46] Speaker A: Rest in peace. [00:29:46] Speaker B: I said, I'm looking for X. I got Jermaine. I just want to talk to him. There's a misunderstanding. We need to talk. That's when Styles came up. Styles was like, yo, Ray, what up, Styles? We came, we hug each other. All of a sudden, like 1520 is behind me. I'm like, I told y'. All. [00:30:06] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Next thing you Know, is coming out of this. It was about a good 10, 11 deep. Maybe about 10 deep. But it's so. It's so narrow. [00:30:18] Speaker A: Yeah, the marina hallways. Yeah, the marina. [00:30:20] Speaker B: You can only fit about 4 to 5 in front anyways. Everybody else is still gonna have to be in the back. [00:30:25] Speaker C: Right. [00:30:27] Speaker B: So somebody on my side threw a water bottle. Then that's when everything started happening. You know, I know when somebody had grabbed me from my back, my brother grabbed me and. And, you know, and Styles had got swung on. I think Styles. Those got broke. I had the blade, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, that's when Styles came up and basically, you know what I'm saying, when Styles, you know, I mean, they had knives. A couple knives. [00:31:00] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:31:01] Speaker B: So, you know, it was. It was. It was. It was. [00:31:04] Speaker A: You said they had some pokers. They had pokers. [00:31:06] Speaker B: They have. Of course, yeah. You know, them is the pokers crew. [00:31:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:10] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? But, you know, they didn't get searched like we did. We didn't have. So a couple of our guys on our side got poked. I know one guy got hit with like this big chair on their side. His eye. He had his eyes hanging out like. I think one of them eyes got. One of the eyes got knocked out some crazy. So, you know, both sides suffered little casualties. Look, but it only lasted for like four or five minutes. [00:31:33] Speaker A: How do you squash that, though? [00:31:36] Speaker B: You know, Dave ended up talking to dny, okay, because, you know, we. We have been doing big business with them. [00:31:42] Speaker C: Right? Right. [00:31:43] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? You know, and like you said, man, we them came to Boston, man, laid one of the dopest other did together, you know, and shot the video. The school, right. It was just. Was a up situation that happened. And I get it, you know, not. You know, I didn't get stabbed. Right. So, you know, you know, I don't. You know, when you get older, you start seeing things differently. So as far as watching it, I know probably a few in my. On. On my end probably didn't want that. [00:32:14] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:32:14] Speaker B: But you know what I'm saying, it was a bigger picture that had to be seen. [00:32:17] Speaker C: Right. [00:32:17] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? And I just felt like it was the right thing to do. So we. We ended up getting going at a restaurant, meeting at a restaurant. Me kiss D and Dave and Hawk, and we sat and man, you know, you know, first of all, we had. Had nothing to do with. With us. It had nothing to do with us. And the whole time, X never came out the dressing room. [00:32:42] Speaker A: Wow. [00:32:43] Speaker B: The whole time was beefing. He never came out. And, you know, that was. That was something they said Swizz was in there in the dress room. He didn't come out. They said that they was going, you know, like, everybody was going, you know what I'm saying? Kind of, you know, screaming on the phone call Steve style. And. Yeah, like, there was a lot of behind the scenes going on. But, you know, I didn't listen, man. You know, I didn't. I didn't want that to happen because at the end of the day, this was their tour, right? [00:33:14] Speaker A: So this was the Rough Riders Cash money. And y' all were opening for the Rough Riders. [00:33:19] Speaker B: He was opening up. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Wow. Wow. [00:33:21] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I remember 50 opened up for us in Connecticut in a couple shows. We had seen them, and it was cool, like, you know what I mean? You know, everything was cool with it. Just. That was just a up situation, man. You know, and the thing was this, like, Jermaine standing there. When Styles came, he made a point. When he's seen all the guys, he made a point, say, look, me and Ray's cool. He threw his head up, he said, yo, we cool. [00:33:44] Speaker C: Right? [00:33:45] Speaker B: Like, it's true. You know what I'm saying? It was our fault, you know, nobody should have threw the water bottle. [00:33:49] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:33:50] Speaker B: At all. That was. That was crazy. And. And, you know, it was. Like I said, it was an unfortunate situation, but things happen, you know, when you get a bunch of street together and then, you know, but all the heads prevailed, man, and we moved on from it. [00:34:06] Speaker A: So 50, you said you saved 50. Was this the studio thing? [00:34:10] Speaker B: That was. When was that song Made Men and John had the beef with them at Hipfire at Hipfax. Remember, everything was on 54th street, right? Sony was in the middle of 54th. I mean, Hit Factory was in the middle of 54th. Sony's on the end. [00:34:25] Speaker A: And as the story goes, they had the incident already. He comes to your session. [00:34:32] Speaker B: He came to. Jesus was outside smoking a cigarette. Remember? Remember I told you we got rules? Jesus wasn't supposed to be bringing anybody into session without letting us know. [00:34:40] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [00:34:42] Speaker B: Like, period. You know what I'm saying? Like, my. You gotta let us know. Like, he just. Like, anything could have happened. You know what I'm saying? Like, and now we caught up in the middle of some. [00:34:50] Speaker C: Right? [00:34:51] Speaker B: Feel me? [00:34:51] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:34:52] Speaker B: So. But he came in, he was soft spoken. He was saying how, you know what Happened. He showed he had got cut on his side by like the belt area. [00:35:02] Speaker A: Where was Yayo at? Wasn't Yayo with him when it happened? [00:35:04] Speaker B: No, when there's nobody. But he was by himself. So they mind you. Mind you. So if. If he ran or if he walked, he. He had to get them split up. But he did say that Yayo dropped the gun and there was no bulletin what he. He showed the whole crew a gun. A little.38 snub, little nasty. And see, this is the thing about. Yeah, yo, when Yayo tell the story, he said 50 had a big nickel plated 4 5th. And you know, he'd be hyping up in the streets. So can think that they did the most rooting too. And like, bro, like, relax my. [00:35:38] Speaker A: So it was. [00:35:39] Speaker B: All right. [00:35:39] Speaker A: So it's a nickel plated soul. There is no. [00:35:42] Speaker B: It was a nickel plated. It's black. It was a nasty three, eight. Little nasty little three. [00:35:47] Speaker A: So I'm saying there's no clip with that. There's no clip. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Snub nose. [00:35:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Ye here. [00:35:52] Speaker B: It had no shells in. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Probably was a.32. Remember how 32s used to be hard as hell to get bullets. [00:36:00] Speaker B: Listen, and let me tell you something. Everybody was in there. I'm sitting playing mad, and he's standing in the corner. Everybody was about eight of us in there. So it ain't like it's just me that told the story. Like that nigga showed everybody the gun and said he dropped it. When Black Child them told the story, they said it was dark in there and he was hitting niggas with pool sticks. [00:36:22] Speaker C: Wow. [00:36:22] Speaker B: And he said he heard somebody say something about a gun and the gun dropped. I didn't even know Black Child and John. That's what's so crazy at that moment. I never even met them, right? [00:36:32] Speaker C: Ever, right? [00:36:34] Speaker B: So when 50s. Their 50s, like, yo, you know, Conan track said. Track masses say some good things about you. We get back to tone, right? He was like, track masters. Yo, they say you solid. Say, you know, say, you know, I mean, because I had done some work with them. I had, you know, I had got some music from them. And you know what I'm saying, when I was signed, right, they had that. That produced some songs for me, you know, Tony Pope. [00:36:56] Speaker A: And plus, at that particular time, you was known for if you were ready, you good. Cause y' all was always deep. I ain't gonna find. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Never strapped like. We know we was strapped like a. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Yeah, but I never seen you with two guys. It was always a minimum of like 8 to 10 guys at all points. And it was. And you had dudes, and you had dudes with you that was just on point. They wasn't rappers. They wasn't nothing. They was just. They wasn't security. They was crew. But they wasn't there to rap and sing. They was there, get crazy. [00:37:27] Speaker C: They was there. Yeah. [00:37:27] Speaker A: They was there to handle it. [00:37:29] Speaker B: And these are everybody. We all grew up together, right? So we all. So we already doing street, but now we get money and rapping. [00:37:35] Speaker C: Right? Right. [00:37:35] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? But I gave everybody jobs, put everybody on payroll, you know what I'm saying? Wasn't security, but hey, you know what I'm saying? You, You. You know, we got it for taxes. This is what you got to be the whole thing for tax purposes. [00:37:47] Speaker A: So. So. So 50 combs and he's bleeding. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:52] Speaker A: And you got a monity. [00:37:55] Speaker B: I called a car service because, you know, I had the source. And we had our own car service, Atlantic Car Service. And I called him a car service and sent him to Belleville. [00:38:06] Speaker A: Oh, you sent him to the hospital. [00:38:07] Speaker B: I don't know if. He didn't have any money for a cab. [00:38:09] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:38:10] Speaker B: Obviously he was by himself. He was with him three, four, up there. And he's now. Nobody's with him. So I don't know the situation. If they had a whip off, the. Who had the whips ran on them. [00:38:21] Speaker C: Right. [00:38:21] Speaker B: There's a lot of backstory to that that never got told. [00:38:24] Speaker C: Right. [00:38:25] Speaker B: Like, how he ended up in my session was strictly because he must have came from Hit Factory. Jesus is outside smoking cigarettes. And then somehow they talked. He was like, yeah, Xeno's inside, right? Open zero in there. [00:38:37] Speaker C: Yeah, come on in. Right, right, right. [00:38:40] Speaker B: So, you know, and it was. It wasn't. It was. It was. It was cool. It was good. It was like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, because I had heard the mixtapes. I heard how to Rob. So, yeah, I heard the. You could have. It could have been anybody that walked in there. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be like, look, you know, I gotta, you know, say I got a car service. [00:39:01] Speaker C: Right? [00:39:01] Speaker B: You know, if. If, you know, if the want to chill, you know what I'm saying? Like, he wants to weed. I mean, it's just the simple man. I always did for regardless, bro. [00:39:12] Speaker C: Right. [00:39:12] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? You know, I remember Remy, this is just a funny story. We can get back to 50, but I remember having a studio owning the studio on 5th and 13th and Remy and the from bars and hooks had crashed their car by Hot 97. I don't know if it was stolen car or something, but they ran over to my studio, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I mean, I think I might have put them in a cab too, or something or just something let them stay, you know, I mean, I've always helped out my whole entire career. [00:39:40] Speaker C: Right. [00:39:41] Speaker B: In one way or the other, and had no problem with doing it. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Do. Do you feel like right now the industry turn their back on you? [00:39:50] Speaker B: I mean, the industry is a. Is a. Is a. You know, when you use that term, you know, it is a lot of [00:39:55] Speaker C: people in the street, right? [00:39:57] Speaker B: You know, there are. There have been people. The industry is a turn your back on people industry. [00:40:05] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right, right. [00:40:07] Speaker B: I mean, you got to be prepared for that. When you first get in there, a stab you in your back, you want to kill him, right? Well, you surely won't with him no more. But in the industry, especially with label people, if they stab you in the back, you can't say nothing because you might come around and have to deal with them again. [00:40:22] Speaker C: Right? [00:40:22] Speaker B: And you don't want to burn the bridge, Right? [00:40:24] Speaker C: Right. [00:40:25] Speaker B: That's a funny industry to be in fourth Street. [00:40:27] Speaker C: Right, Right. [00:40:28] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? You know, you know, you can't get mad at niggas for you over. Because a couple years later, he might be on another label. He might be on this station or he might be the program director. He might be. Cause all they do is just. [00:40:40] Speaker A: It's the same musical chairs. It's musical chairs. [00:40:43] Speaker B: That's it. Yep. Yep, that's it. So once you, you know, I mean, you know, it's a. They have a. It's a, you know, it's a club. [00:40:50] Speaker A: It's a club. It's a club. [00:40:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Because he go from this label, then he's at this label then he's over here now, and he like, oh, I didn't know he was over here then. You go to the Viacom building here. I've been at Viacom for two weeks now. I'm a. I mean, you like, damn. I keep bumping into this. So I, I'm glad, you know, I didn't break his neck three years ago. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Right, right. So, you know, if you, if, if you. Them over, then you just burn the bridge, you know, and you, and you. Your checkup. And I did that, you know what I'm saying? But I had to suicide and have to worry about it. But you know, you know, I'm saying, you know, I would say that, you know, I mean like as far as burning bridges, you know, I was cool with people, but you know, I mean, I just, I just, I didn't want to be in the industry. I wanted to be in the industry, but I don't want to be a part of the industry, you know what I'm saying? [00:41:34] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [00:41:35] Speaker B: You know, I mean, because the industry just isn't what the we stand for. What you know, when it comes to being friends with somebody and loyalty and you throw all that out the window. Dignity, all that, it's going. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Integrity is gone. [00:41:46] Speaker B: It's integrity gone. Everything. [00:41:50] Speaker A: I had TV shows, Lisa Ray, the first time we really saw Lisa. Lisa Ray and Trex. [00:41:58] Speaker C: Yes. [00:41:58] Speaker B: We, we in two times a DJ and we syndicated it. [00:42:02] Speaker C: Right. [00:42:02] Speaker B: So he would come on at 10 o' clock on like the main station. [00:42:05] Speaker C: Right. [00:42:06] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Four or five upn. But it was syndication. We paid a lot of money to put them shows on. It's not like now we was using the NBC studios and man, we was paying a lot of money to do those shows, man. It's funny to see how you could just do now with just your iPhone. [00:42:23] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [00:42:25] Speaker B: And a little stand with a light, you know what I mean? But yeah, we was, we, we pioneered all that. No question. [00:42:32] Speaker A: I wanted to ask you the, the infamous Source Awards, like this is the most infamous thing ever in probably hip hop history that we all saw. Suge Knight is there. The whole west coast is there. The whole Wu Tang is there. Biggie and them is there. Did you know DJ Quick was going this eight that night? [00:42:53] Speaker B: I mean chances are, you know, that could be eight. Eight. When I seen eight, they're not champ. Yeah, because they were so deep. I, I knew something was going to jump off with me. [00:43:03] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [00:43:04] Speaker B: I thought it was going to be worse, right. I thought everything was going to be. There was so many different in 95 with so many different issues. You know, Ice Cube and Bunk Dog had issues. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Ice Cube and Bone Thugs had issues. [00:43:16] Speaker B: Yeah, because you know, Easy, Easy Easy had signed. Easy had passed and he signed both thugs. And you know, Ice Cube was Diseasy and Bone didn't like that. And you know what I'm saying. So they, they looking at each other funny at the awards and Wu Tang and Biggie. [00:43:32] Speaker C: Right. [00:43:32] Speaker B: You know, it was up that night. Twister. Twister and Bone Thugs. [00:43:38] Speaker C: Right. [00:43:38] Speaker B: You know what I'm Saying crucial conflict. And I mean, it was, it was. Right, it was. There was issues. Because you gotta understand, doggy, this was the first time all these artists in their respective territories, these huge artists see each other for the first time, right? These ain't never seen each other for the first time. Like, all these in one. [00:43:57] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. [00:44:00] Speaker B: You know. [00:44:01] Speaker C: Right. [00:44:02] Speaker B: So it was tense with a lot of people. It was always tense. But that one was, you know, like, I knew somebody was just gonna get shot in that. I just figured I was like, damn, [00:44:13] Speaker A: the south got something to say. [00:44:14] Speaker B: Grabbed the mic and did out on bail in 95. He was locked up. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Think about this too. [00:44:21] Speaker C: Right? [00:44:23] Speaker A: The south got something to say happened too, [00:44:27] Speaker B: because I, I felt I was a part of that because of, of. I think, you know, and I admitted this, you know, they, they would, you know, of them not getting five mics, I think I had to say so on that. [00:44:37] Speaker A: You stopped it. So you, so you admitting to the part? [00:44:39] Speaker B: I mean, I just, I just had to say so with it because I didn't hear the music man. And I just, you know, I'm saying, you know, I was, you know, I don't think a lot of people did, but I, I give the, the people at the college kids, right? They, they, they heard it, right? I, I just did it, and they would. They want to give them a five. And I think we broke it down to a four and a half. I wasn't the only one, but I think I was one of the ones. And that was one of the only times that I stuck my neck. [00:45:11] Speaker A: No pun intended. [00:45:12] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right. [00:45:14] Speaker B: That stuck my neck. And, you know, I, I regretted it. [00:45:18] Speaker C: I'm a man, right? [00:45:19] Speaker B: I'm, I'm a lot more. I see things different. I shouldn't have done it. And, you know, I, I, I, you know, on your show, I want to apologize to them, you know. [00:45:27] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Because. Because I seen the passion in Andre 3000's face. Because they was born, right? You know. You know, they was born. I did have a say so in them winning the award, so it was kind of a makeup for that. [00:45:41] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:45:42] Speaker B: Because they got you. Because by then they got huge as fuck. Like, they seen it, like, no, especially New York didn't hear it. [00:45:47] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Okay. So you would understand. I'm from the east coast now, you know what I'm saying? [00:45:53] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:45:54] Speaker B: So, you know, it happened. But I, you know, there's such a big group and they're so Unproblematic. That I want to make sure that, you know, I could have kept that to myself, but I. I didn't want to. I want to fess up, you know what I'm saying? And then let them know, look, you know what I'm saying? I didn't hear it, but, man, they made us hear it that night. [00:46:13] Speaker A: He. [00:46:13] Speaker B: He said it that night. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And that started, like, this whole thing that just was over. The south got something to say. [00:46:21] Speaker C: He. [00:46:21] Speaker B: He ushered in that whole movement. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Yep. [00:46:25] Speaker B: With that night. With those words, and it looked like he looked like he wanted to cry. Yep. [00:46:29] Speaker C: Wow, wow, wow. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Suge Knight went up there. Did you. What was you like, what the hell is going on? When Suge Knight. [00:46:35] Speaker B: I was right there when that happened. I was. I. I was. I was. I was backstage, so I was. I was looking at it, and I just was like, damn, who you thought [00:46:42] Speaker A: he was talking about? [00:46:43] Speaker B: First thing I looked at. First thing I did, I was like. Because, you know, I called a couple because, you know, we strapped up in that place now. Up in there. We strapped. [00:46:51] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:46:52] Speaker B: I think we might have. We for security. We might have had the Nation of Islam as the ushers. I'm not sure, but. I think. I'm not sure, but I just was like, damn, this getting ready. This getting ready. It's getting ready to get. You know, it's getting ready to get ugly. [00:47:08] Speaker A: And [00:47:10] Speaker B: I thought was just gonna rush the stage. I'm looking at. I'm. I'm looking in the crowd and watching, like, talking me mad, and you know what I'm saying? I'm watching things New York. [00:47:20] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:47:20] Speaker B: All kind of. And if it wasn't for. I always say that Snoop diffused it, you know, because when Dr. Dre won the award, it was like, you know, what's the line with y', all, man? We know we in New York. [00:47:34] Speaker A: You don't got no love for us. I thought Snoop pop, though. I was still a little mad when he said, yeah, but. [00:47:39] Speaker B: But the way he did it, he was giving New York props because, you know, he was giving New York props because Snoop, I think really deep down inside, love New York. Like, everybody respected New York hip hop. Love New York hip hop. Without New York hip hop, where would Snoop be? And I think he recognizes that. [00:47:56] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Snoop is a real fan of hip hop, so I know he understands the importance of where it didn't start in LA and where the influences came from. I think he got it, but they was just so big that. And mind you, there's Bloods, Crips. Them is in the front. They got Bloods and Crips. It's both sides together out there. He flew in about a hundred, right? Shook was doing that I was doing. Later on, I'd be flying in and put them in hotels when we was doing them shits in Miami and la. And he did that. That was. And he paid for that. Set the jails and all that. And Snoop coming out on the gurney. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Oh, he paid for all of that. [00:48:36] Speaker B: They paid for that. All that. [00:48:37] Speaker A: That. That's one of the dopest performances ever, ever, ever. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Oh. Because they had everybody. [00:48:43] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:48:44] Speaker B: Everywhere you have everybody. [00:48:46] Speaker A: That's why I said they had Quick too. Quick was a part of this. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Everybody. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Yeah, Quick. [00:48:50] Speaker B: That rage. Dog Pound, right Quick. [00:48:52] Speaker A: Nate, Dog. [00:48:54] Speaker B: Yo, come on, man. Like, they had. You know, and at the time, each one of the had hits, right? You know, people say what they want to about Suge, but nobody gave us better music of that era than Suge Knight. [00:49:05] Speaker C: Right? [00:49:06] Speaker B: I'm sorry. [00:49:07] Speaker C: That's true. [00:49:08] Speaker A: That's true. [00:49:08] Speaker B: Because when you begin New York to love, to love west coast, it was tough, bro. [00:49:12] Speaker A: Because I wasn't. Because I ain't gonna lie to you. At first I was like, man, get this. Because I come from the NWA and the Cube and all that. But that was different because it was musical. You know, with us, we sample bass, it ain't got certain drums. We like, get this out of here. That was musical, but it was hard, you know what I'm saying? So. [00:49:30] Speaker B: But Dre. But Dre was such a sample, you know, Dre is one of the top, you know, for me. Influences the producers. Because his sample was. Sample was just. [00:49:39] Speaker A: It's clean. See, it was too clean. Because we got trials. [00:49:41] Speaker B: It was clean and big, right? [00:49:42] Speaker A: But we got rocket seals. [00:49:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right, right. [00:49:47] Speaker B: You know, them put the base right and clean. You know what I'm saying? That was the difference. [00:49:52] Speaker A: I was very lo fi over here. His was clean. So we was like, what is it? [00:49:57] Speaker B: You know, I came from the sample thing of Paul C. From Queens. The great Paul. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Absolutely. I just. [00:50:03] Speaker B: I was using the SB 1200. He. He taught me how to do that. And we would have. We would. Sometimes you'd hear the crackling of the thing in. In the sample, and we wanted that. [00:50:12] Speaker A: I just interviewed Mikey D. He's talking about Paul C. Mikey D from Paul [00:50:16] Speaker B: C. Let me tell you. Paul C. Paul C. Got killed on my birthday in Queens. We were staying at the Kennedy Inn, and I was recording that. 1212. [00:50:25] Speaker C: Wow. [00:50:25] Speaker B: And Paul personally was teaching. We stayed up there for a week and a half recording. And that's when we was with Flavor Unit. [00:50:32] Speaker A: So let me ask you something. When Suge did that, who you thought he was talking about? [00:50:36] Speaker B: Did he. [00:50:38] Speaker C: But he. [00:50:39] Speaker A: Jermaine Dupree. [00:50:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. I think Jermaine just wanted the clout. [00:50:43] Speaker C: Right? [00:50:47] Speaker B: I'm sorry. You know, I mean, Jermaine. Yeah, Jermaine wasn't. Was. Jermaine wasn't bothering nobody. [00:50:55] Speaker C: Right. [00:50:56] Speaker B: For anybody to bother Jermaine. [00:50:57] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:50:58] Speaker B: So I. Maybe Jermaine, you know, wants to be involved, but that was. That was Diddy. [00:51:03] Speaker A: We all thought it was Diddy. [00:51:05] Speaker C: We all. [00:51:05] Speaker B: No, there's no thought. [00:51:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, right. Emphatically Diddy. [00:51:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that was Diddy. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Diddy handled that well, though he didn't have to because he was in New York. [00:51:15] Speaker B: I want to give Jermaine's props, though, because Jermaine did dance in videos before Diddy. When he. When he was break dancing when he was a little kid. [00:51:23] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:51:23] Speaker B: When he was a little kid, he was break dancing on utfo. [00:51:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:51:26] Speaker B: But Jermaine, I doubt if sug seen that. [00:51:29] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Sure wouldn't know about no. Damn u know about that. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Speaking of you, tfo rest in peace to Kango Kid. Yes, Me and Kango Kid was personally cool, man. [00:51:40] Speaker C: Right. [00:51:40] Speaker B: And yeah, we had a battle with cancer, man. He's man, such a legend and such a great dude. I got a chance to really kick with him a couple times personally, man. Just a good dude, you know. [00:51:50] Speaker A: I love utfo. UTFO birthed the Roxanne thing via full force. Then you got the Roxanne thing and then we get Shantay. Then from Shantay, you get me. So that's. That's what I. That's what I love about the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? [00:52:04] Speaker B: That's the branches. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the branch. Yep. So. So let me. Let me ask you something. You had children in the industry. Two children. One didn't work as well as it should have. Why didn't the, the Ray Ray thing go well? [00:52:20] Speaker B: Well, Ray Ray. Ray Ray got his first deal at nine years old. He was on his first song at seven. Ray Ray got to perform at the fleet center at 7 years old. [00:52:30] Speaker C: Wow. [00:52:30] Speaker B: On a cash money tour. [00:52:32] Speaker C: Right. [00:52:33] Speaker B: And then. And then at 9, he got a deal with Baby Pun Christopher. [00:52:37] Speaker C: Right. [00:52:38] Speaker A: Chris. Chris Rivers now with. [00:52:40] Speaker B: With Little James called Three down, produced by us. And he got a deal on Interscope Then Jimmy kicked in, like, half the money, which was 400. 400,000. He didn't even want to wait, because usually you got to wait to clearance because. Because it was under 15. And he didn't even wait. He just said, man, I want them now. They're so dope. Benny Boom did their first video for, like, 200, 000, the Bronx tale. I mean, we was getting ready to really go, and then the Eminem thing derailed it. I'm saying, like, he dropped him after the Eminem thing happened. But, you know, Ray Ray, he goes under the name of Chavo. He's. He's independent. He's been working. He got a deal through Distro Kid. He still puts out independent. He gets big checks. [00:53:22] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:53:22] Speaker B: He's been doing his thing. He just got his first gold plaque with Michigan, the song called Michigan. And, you know him and. Him and Pierre, born a producer. You know, I produced for Interscope, Kanye west, and all different people, put out a couple of mixtapes and projects, and he did really well on. You know, I'm proud of Redway because he's. Everything's independent, right? Right. [00:53:42] Speaker A: So about 20, 15, 16, I hear of a girl named Coy Lebre, right? And I'm. I'm in my office, downtown Brooklyn, and. And my. My film crew shout out to Ether and Moja. They say, yo, that's your man daughter. [00:54:00] Speaker B: The who? [00:54:01] Speaker A: They said, that's Benzino door. That's Benzino daughter. I'm like, I didn't know that. You know what I'm saying? So I automatically took dogs. I'm like, oh, no, that's. That's the big bro daughter. But then I just see her blowing the hell up, right? And then I'm like, oh, she's a rob. Like. But I'm like, that's my. That's my bro daughter. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Like, right? [00:54:25] Speaker A: That's like my niece now. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo. Like, so I'm tripping, but I'm like, yo, she's just. Did you see that coming? Did you? [00:54:34] Speaker B: Absolutely not. [00:54:35] Speaker C: Wow. [00:54:36] Speaker B: Absolutely not. I'd never seen it coming. You know, her and Ray Ray grew up. You know, Coy's three years old in Ray Ray's video. He was seven. [00:54:44] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. I remember him. I don't. [00:54:46] Speaker B: She's in the video at the end with a little fur coat on. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Wow. [00:54:49] Speaker B: You know, three years old. Two years old. Three years old. And, you know, when you. When you're a father, especially A street guy. You don't want your daughter around nothing that. That you involved with. [00:54:59] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:55:01] Speaker B: There was a time when I was in Miami, she said she wants to start singing. And I. And I had Vince do a couple of songs. Vince Herbert do a couple of songs where I had got mindless behavior. And I did some stuff within the studio, you know, but Ray Ray was the rapper, and I surely didn't want, you know, Ray Ray wasn't rapping street. You know, there was a time where Ray Ray was just, you know. You know, once they 14, 15, he's still kind of rapping. He's just trying to be lyrical, but he's not, you know, I'm not, you know, he's not no gangster or nothing. Yeah, but there was a time where, you know, with Coy just was like. She started listening to Chief Keef, I remember, and. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Yeah, some drills. [00:55:39] Speaker B: Yeah, she started. Really. But, you know, I mean, when I think about it, she's been around gangster rap her whole life. I had studios my entire life. She grew up in a studio. She's grew up around this whole industry and her entire life. [00:55:50] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:55:51] Speaker B: And, you know, I was a stern father, the old school father. So my kids would really think about before they would let me know if they did it or before they try, you know, I mean, not that they were sneaky, but it was like, you know, if she wanted to rap and smoke weed and do all this stuff like it, you know, I would have my. All my kids with me, even though I wasn't with the mothers, that they would all be with me for the summers, Christmas, just like I was with my grandmother and grandma, they'd be with their father. They'd be with me. Wherever I'm at Atlanta, Miami, wherever I lived, la, they came with me. And, you know, it was because I have another son by Coy's mother. [00:56:30] Speaker A: So it was two of them. [00:56:31] Speaker B: So the three. The three would always be with me. But when she started rapping when she was living in Jersey, I just remember she was like, dad, I want to start rapping. And then when I heard the raps, I just was like, oh, man, this is like, what am I gonna do? Because I was. You know, I couldn't. It was just too raunchy, you know what I'm saying? I didn't know what to do, you know what I mean? Since I wasn't living with her, you know, a little bit of the pressure isn't there, kind of. Because if you're there, you really have to deal with it. So, you know, it's like. Not that I didn't want to deal with it, but it's like, damn, I really didn't know how to deal with it. You know what I'm saying? I can't tell her that. No, you. I don't want you doing that. Because she, you know, I mean, I don't want to make. So, you know, Coy, I remember she needed. I had a 35 millimeter camera. Now I'm not as financially as I was, you know what I'm saying? And I remember I sent her the camera. She was excited about that because she had her little friend with the dreads, the girl. I forgot her name. Nick was, you know, was gonna record her and she just started rapping, man. And she's in Jersey. And, you know, she just started doing it herself. And I just do. I swear to God, I'm just not saying this. She was like that I'm gonna be a star. You watch, I'm telling you. I'm telling you, you watch, you're gonna hear from me. I just be like, oh, okay. Yeah. You know, I didn't take it serious because. Because I just didn't see Coyote. I didn't know what lane she was going to be in. I just didn't know anything about it. She was, because she's in Jersey. So she hooked up with the Anthony. I had new D. Anthony's mother, Coy's mother do it. New Dante's mother, she's from Boston. Cherry Martinez. Wow. On the radio. [00:58:12] Speaker A: Yeah, Radio said. Yeah, the radio. Yep. [00:58:14] Speaker B: So her son had something to do with Fetty Wap guinnessdale Young d'. Anthony. Wow. And he had a good, good kid too. Not no street kids, small kid. He ended up taking Corey around the Jersey and hooked her up with some producer. And then she started doing show and the rest is history. And to this day, it's just surreal because with this, what I can say, even through all the controversy and stuff that me and Coy go through, especially on the Internet, which is unfortunate, but. Right to watch Coy, what she did, I know for a fact that she did that. She did that, right? Like, Coy makes decisions. I mean, granted, there's other people's helping her, but she. She's more like me. Ray. Ray is more laid back. Coy is like me. Like, just. I'm gonna make happen. I'm not taking no for an answer that I don't care what anybody says about me. She's relentless. And that's how I was. She has a lot of Me in her. [00:59:06] Speaker C: Right. [00:59:07] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [00:59:08] Speaker A: You know, is that maybe why y' all clash sometimes. [00:59:11] Speaker B: That, that's. That probably has a lot to do with it. [00:59:13] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:59:14] Speaker B: That probably has. Like, we don't. She got that strong. You know, her mother used to be like, wait, you know, calm. You better come get her when. When she gets mad, you know, they call her Benzina. [00:59:22] Speaker C: Right? [00:59:24] Speaker B: That was a little joke and. Right, right. But you know, it just was like, man, you know, I don't have a handbook to raise a daughter, man. We street. [00:59:33] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right, right. [00:59:36] Speaker B: And you know, that what, what you think is good for your kids. I'm. I'm going back to my. To my father's morals and values, my mother's. I'm trying to put that on her. But this is what they would do, right? And they wouldn't want. So, I mean, you know, you go through that, then when you're not with the mother, the mother's against you. And you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know, and I don't want to put no damp on everything because, you know, shout out to Corey, her moms and everybody because. And I don't mean shout out as a shout out, but, you know, I'm not trying to put any damper on anything like, listen, you know, you know, as dysfunction as families are when the father's not living with the kid, the father still loves their kids. I still love my kids. I did everything I possibly known to man form because at the end of the day, all we have to do is think about, put food on the table, money in their pocket. [01:00:26] Speaker A: Right? [01:00:27] Speaker B: That, you know, that's what a street father does. A street. A street guy from. A guy from the streets have to do. [01:00:33] Speaker C: Right? [01:00:33] Speaker B: So, you know, it's a. It's, you know, I. That's one of the. You asked me was the proudest moment. That's my least proudest moment is, you know, going through it with her, man. Because I love her daily and I'm proud of her, you know, I just, you know, it's hard for me to see her in thongs and bathing suits and, you know, I mean, I don't look at it. [01:00:52] Speaker A: I'm gonna be real with you. I. I don't. I never looked at none of her videos. Even the video with Buster and all that. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't. I can't, you know, even that. Even that. So, you know, it's just. It's just. It's an awkward situation for me. Doggy. [01:01:04] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [01:01:05] Speaker B: And even having other guys deal with her. [01:01:06] Speaker C: Right. [01:01:07] Speaker B: French doing those type of songs with him. Like, you know, like, I know. Come on, man. You know, French was down in Miami with me. I let him use the studio, stay in the weeks. [01:01:17] Speaker C: Right. [01:01:17] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Didn't charge him nothing. You know what I mean? So it's, you know, Buster doing songs. You know, I'll be honest. I, I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't too, I wasn't too happy about neither one of them doing songs with it and those type of songs. [01:01:32] Speaker A: It was the type of songs. Or was the songs, period. It was the type of songs that you didn't like. [01:01:36] Speaker B: Songs. But the type of songs, I'm saying. Songs. Yeah, but the type of song. [01:01:40] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:01:41] Speaker B: And then, you know, you know what I'm saying? As a father, you know, you know what I'm saying? You know, the way your daughter dresses around men, you know, and then men that you know and grown men that you know. [01:01:51] Speaker C: Right. [01:01:51] Speaker B: I mean, I'm, I'm no different. If, if you're a father and whatever I'm going through, if everybody else, if that, no one else goes through that, then they lying. [01:02:01] Speaker C: Right, Right. [01:02:01] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's human. [01:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah, you're human. [01:02:05] Speaker B: It's easy to criticize me and my feelings towards it, which I don't give a. [01:02:09] Speaker C: Right. [01:02:09] Speaker B: But you know, how, how the else am I supposed to feel? [01:02:12] Speaker C: Right? [01:02:13] Speaker B: Right. [01:02:13] Speaker C: Right. [01:02:13] Speaker B: I'll be, I'll be looking for other ways to fail in this situation. And it's hard. [01:02:17] Speaker C: Right. [01:02:18] Speaker A: What's the biggest misconception about you that you hear? Besides the neck thing, what's the biggest misconception about you? [01:02:27] Speaker B: That's a big. See, that, that misconception is because I've always, I've always had bad, bad beautiful women right on my line. Like, I ain't, you know, that don't bother me because that when, when, when, you know, man, did. The Internet showed me that a lot of men are like women because there's more men that really are insecure and, and be mad over a. Because women show them attention than, than women. [01:02:50] Speaker A: Say that again. [01:02:52] Speaker B: It's the truth. Men are being exposed for their insecurities. [01:02:56] Speaker A: I get hate every day. Just be mad at me like, you mad? I ain't even do nothing, bro. [01:03:02] Speaker B: You know, so you get, you know, I, I, I, I learned to live with that, you know what I'm saying? I learned to Live with it. It's unfortunate that are out here. You can see that men were. Men didn't have father figures in their life. I had a strong father figure, though he was locked up, he still was a strong father. [01:03:16] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:03:17] Speaker B: You know, though, you know, he put. He put me out in the streets like my. But he also taught me how to be a man. And there are certain things that. See a lot of times when in life people think that you just a man, still go through a mending training phase. [01:03:30] Speaker A: No be males. They don't be men. It's a difference. You got to be in the man. It's different because you're a male training. [01:03:37] Speaker B: You're still training to be a man. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Right. [01:03:39] Speaker B: And a lot of times they just don't. Year after year, they just don't make the cut. It's like the sat, they just don't. You know what I mean? They do some stupid to it up. [01:03:49] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? Right, right. [01:03:50] Speaker B: So, you know, you know, I don't never go under a man's page and comment under his appearance. [01:03:55] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:03:56] Speaker A: It's weird. [01:03:57] Speaker B: Kidding me. [01:03:57] Speaker A: I get it every day, bro. I get it every day. Why you got the shades on? Why you worry about. I want to look in your eyes. I'm like, you look at my eyes. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Listen, bro, I don't understand. So I just, you know, I don't. But the, the biggest misconception is. And I don't know if it's a misconception, like, but, you know, I love hip hop music. And I just think that the music that I've done, you know, always kind of was overshadowed by the controversies and the Source and the Eminem. You know, I put out some good music and I feel like, like because of the. All that, that, that, that the music didn't. Didn't get looked upon the way it should have. You know what I'm saying? Another misconception I, you know, is that I'm just a troublemaker and I just. I just hate on people and I'm a bully and that. That couldn't be furthest from the truth. Like, I bully the bullies. You know what I'm saying? [01:04:49] Speaker A: I could co sign that because I. [01:04:50] Speaker B: You. [01:04:51] Speaker A: You know, when I used to see people go at you, I'm like, y' all going, that's the bro. He cool as hell. Like, ain't. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:58] Speaker A: I think that's the biggest misconception about you. Like, you're. You're bitter, angry, always got going on. I'm like, yo, this man Unhad defined cars, the finest of houses, fine as a women, jewelry and everything. He lived a few lives, right? So you know what it's like to get to the mountain sometimes, the fall, and then you fighting to get back to the mountain again. And I think people don't understand the struggle of where we come from because we start with nothing. You get something. But a man ain't a man until he learned how to get it all back. You don't got it back a few times. [01:05:32] Speaker B: You know, I mean, the thing is, when you're a real hustler from the streets, it don't matter. You going back to the block. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. [01:05:42] Speaker B: And that's what's so dope about it. And I've done that all my life. So that, that's, that's. That's embedded in me. I look at it deeper. A deeper. A deeper look, you know, it was deeper for me. You know, everything that happened in my life, in my journey was supposed to happen, right? And there are times in your life that, you know, I had a hell of a run and there are times where you have to. When it comes times, you know, that you have to kind of. You have to kind of get, you know, you're moving so fast, you're making money, you have to get sat down and to be able to see things now, right? A little slower so you can understand things more. You know, you could be humbled more, you could be educated more. You could look at your mistakes and you could. You have to take responsibility. If you just get sat down and you're not taking responsibility, then that sit down is for nothing, right? You know, you. I had to go through this period of reflection and, you know, of course, I've had money all my life, so then when it starts getting rough, you know, that's. That's a message like, no, well, let me show you. And, and it's not as a punishment, but let me show you other great things in life that you'll never see when you're just chasing money. Let me show you what else is important in life that have nothing to do with money, right? [01:07:08] Speaker A: Being a grandfather. Now, being a grandfather. [01:07:11] Speaker B: I mean, listen, being a grandfather, but also just seeing life differently, man. Like a 16 man dog. And everything I went through being from the streets, I see things different now, right? You know, I see things different. And, And I'm at the point where there's no good gray area, right? There's only right and wrong. And I don't give who you Are what you are. I'm not gonna sit there and be. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, if what you're saying to me, I'm not feeling it. I. If, you know, you. It's good if you get a response on me, but if you can't take it, then I'll just shut up and keep it moving. When you're doing the podcast, you know, I know too much. I do know a lot, right? [01:07:50] Speaker A: When you're doing the podcast. That's why I' asking, when you gonna do the podcast, man? [01:07:53] Speaker B: I'm gonna. You know, I'm saying I'm gonna get it together, man. You know? You know, these days, you know what I'm saying? Just getting. Getting things stable and getting things right. You know what I'm saying? But it's time, you know, So I [01:08:03] Speaker A: was taking 40 years, you know, I'm a phone call away, bro. [01:08:07] Speaker B: I'm definitely gonna be calling you. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Anything you need, you know, I know all the camera, the light, you know, man. [01:08:13] Speaker B: I mean, what. Not just the cameras, but, you know, just to. How to make money from the right. [01:08:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:08:18] Speaker B: You got that. That. You know what I'm saying? I'll be watching, like, even before, when I was watching your intro and how that. When you came up. [01:08:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:08:25] Speaker B: You do it well, you know, I [01:08:27] Speaker A: do all the graphics. You know, I do all of this. Nobody helps me with nothing. I do all of this. And then, you know, still on the west coast, that's my partner. So, you know, Big Steeler, MC8, they got the Gangster Chronicles, you know what I'm saying? [01:08:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I got a lot of respect for still, man. I like, still like this whole movement, man. [01:08:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's my partner. You know what I'm saying? That's my partner. So, like, you know, anything. Anything you need help out with, you know, Absolutely. Because that show was on the Black Effect, Charlamagne, you know what I'm saying? Him and MC8 do that. And still, it's. It's something. [01:08:59] Speaker B: I reached out. I mean, I reached out to a couple of people, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, obviously Charlemagne, but, you know, you know, a lot of guys, you know what I'm saying? And it's funny because there's so many [01:09:09] Speaker A: people gotta shoot the pilot first, though. See, that's what I'm saying to you. Let's shoot a pilot. Once they see what you got. [01:09:16] Speaker C: They. [01:09:17] Speaker A: I need that, see. Cause they not. It's Almost like a demo. If you don't have no demo, people might say, yeah, I know he probably could make a good record. [01:09:25] Speaker B: But you know what, though? But, but, but, but, but when you gave niggas positions and you. And you, you know, social wars and all kind of things, it's like, you know what I'm saying? Why do I gotta go through that? [01:09:35] Speaker A: They don't care. Nobody cares what you did yesterday, bro. [01:09:38] Speaker B: That's the shit that killed me, because I'm talking. You got multi millionaires right now back then, that I 100% help their career facts. And they don't. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't do it. I didn't do it for credit. I didn't do it so they could do something bad for me. But, you know, a lot of lunch, you know what I'm saying? I'm talking, like, things that, you know. And then back then, they was excited. This is. This is all they wanted. There was no other platform to be looking live at. It was. It was. It was right here, right? So when I gave it to him, I know they was happy as hell, but years later, man, I can't even. I'm trying to get a meeting with Shaq because this is, you know, I got a couple of things I want to talk to Shaq about, you know what I'm saying? I remember wholeheartedly, I made a Source award, a Source sports magazine so we could do the awards and gave. Just so Shaq can come. I. I made him, you know, just so Shaq can come. Same thing with bmf, you know, I'm saying. Gave them awards today, you know, to make sure that they was being so. That the feds was looking at him down in Miami to make sure that they was cool. I've done so much for so many that people would never know about, you know what I'm saying? [01:10:45] Speaker A: But you. But you know what? In this. In this industry, and unfortunately, us all coming from the streets, everybody still has the mentality. And it's like, yo, we not in that no more. Now we got legitimate business dudes got LLCs, EINs, and all that, right? I feel like this, if I look out for you, then you look out for me. It is what it is. Like I said, I never forgot what you did for me in 91. That's why you'll never see no Benzino smear campaign come from me, my mouth, or my platform. [01:11:15] Speaker B: I'm like, nah, that's my job, you know? You know, and that. That means a lot My thing is. My thing is, you know, the Internet, when it comes to Benzino, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, the Internet again, you know what I'm saying? Like this, the. That I have seen where people try to smear. What I do notice is the more. And this is psychological, the more you give it, the more it's going to bother you. [01:11:39] Speaker C: Right? [01:11:40] Speaker B: So when I see the smear campaigns and nothing, I don't even pay attention to it, eventually that should just go away. [01:11:45] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [01:11:46] Speaker B: Because it don't hold. It don't. The smear campaign has no validity to it because I know in my heart I ain't done nothing wrong. [01:11:52] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [01:11:54] Speaker B: See, if I know that I did something up and even the stuff that I stand on, there is. There was. There was some reasons by it. It just isn't just hood ignorance. [01:12:06] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:12:07] Speaker B: And me trying to bully or me trying to hate. There's some. There's some logical behind it that if you understand the reasoning, why, you'd be like, okay, I get it. And it's always bigger than me, right? Always. [01:12:20] Speaker A: When. When you. When you. When you not to hash on this because this is so old, but were you disappointed in black people with the Eminem thing? Did that hurt you? Like how your people. Of course it did. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. Because, you know, but I grew up in Boston with it to where it's like, you know, you know, you listen, you out here on your own, if the white boys jumping you, then you got to fight your own, so you can't worry about anything else. So I just was always a. That if I did get disappointed, it would be quick because I got, you know, if I'm gonna fight the army by myself, I got things to do. I can't be hopping, you know, every time I turned around, it wasn't nobody behind me. Every time it was somebody, you know, I mean, there was no one behind me on that Eminem. It was me and Ja. Jabba Job was over here, and I'm over here, and we taking bombs and. And missiles and, you know, and it [01:13:08] Speaker A: was over the song Foolish Pride. But a lot of people did, you know, A lot of people did. [01:13:12] Speaker B: I mean, it was. It was before that. You know, it was before that. That was. That was after we dug that up. That was after the white boys show. His. His friends. His partner showed up at the office with the tapes. We ain't know nothing about that. But the beef was already going. [01:13:26] Speaker C: Right. [01:13:27] Speaker A: But I'm just saying, taking care. [01:13:28] Speaker B: He wasn't taking care of him. So they trying to sell the tapes to make money. [01:13:31] Speaker A: What I'm saying when I say it was over, that they're disappointed with, with our people because you actually played him saying I hate and all that. And everybody was like, prostitutes ain't black. No, black. Yeah, black. It wasn't just black. And everybody was like, so what, you know what I'm saying? Did that was you like, huh? That was probably, that probably was a wake up call. Yeah, yeah, yeah, me up. [01:14:00] Speaker B: I, I just, you know, I was like, wow, I couldn't believe it. [01:14:03] Speaker C: Right? [01:14:04] Speaker B: Even at the source, a lot of did not want to be involved with that. [01:14:08] Speaker C: Right. [01:14:09] Speaker B: Almost like, damn. But you know what? I just showed you how the power of money and music and fame, you know, and it's the power of money, music and fame is just so like, I don't want to say no name, but there's a female artist that disrespects dark skinned women and she's so big that dark skinned women, like, I've heard worse, I've heard worse. They'll make, they'll make excuses. [01:14:35] Speaker C: Right, Right. [01:14:36] Speaker B: You know, you know what I'm saying? That's just how we are in our culture, man. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Yeah. What's next for you though? What, what do you, what, what you got planned right now? [01:14:45] Speaker B: I got, I got, I got, they just dropped We Different. I got some, I got a series on to be that started. [01:14:51] Speaker C: Okay. [01:14:51] Speaker B: A movie. The movie TKO went crazy. Shout out to Chris Stokes. Shout out to Dennis Reed. Chris Stokes did a TKO movie. Dennis Reed did We Different. It just dropped on two B's called We Different. I'm starring in that. I got some real, some coming up with some more movie that I, you know, I don't like to really. It's hard. You got to be careful what you say now, you know. But a lot of 2B movie, you know, get ready to put up my [01:15:20] Speaker A: first workout DVD or DVD about, well, workout streaming thing. About time though. [01:15:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:28] Speaker A: How many times a day you work? How many times you work out? Every day. [01:15:31] Speaker B: Every day. Every day. And then the times I'm on the road, like, you know, like this gym at the whole hotel here in Miami. [01:15:36] Speaker C: Right. [01:15:37] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? So I make sure I go, I get to a hotel, what if not then, you know, you know, I got, got like three Gym. I got LA Planet Fitness and then Crunch. So whoever I'm at, you know what I'm saying? Because to be honest with you, working out to save me, this is really Safe. [01:15:53] Speaker A: It's good for him, bro. Yo, I just did the StairMaster today. [01:15:57] Speaker B: I did. [01:15:58] Speaker A: I did the, the. The. The treadmill and I got this. Yo, I got this machine from Tick Tock. Did you see that arm thing? [01:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I got one of those, bro. [01:16:07] Speaker A: I got one. They do something, but I do it. I tell people I work out. Out to help my mental illness because if not, I'll be in jail. Seriously. [01:16:17] Speaker B: I can listen to my music and nobody's bothering me, man. And then you. You know me, I. I don't even own a shirt, man. If I didn't have to wear a shirt nowhere, I wouldn't. I love it, like. [01:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:28] Speaker B: Because it makes me smile. It's something that I'm in control of and nobody else. [01:16:31] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:16:32] Speaker B: And you know, you know what I'm saying? And everybody loves to get compliments and, man, as far as, you know, how you look and everything, man. So, you know, I like to do that. And then I always figure, stage, stay ready. So then we're not. When the door's open, I'm a. Where opportunity just knocks. Where I just got to be in a place. Wherever I'm at, people go crazy, man. Like, people go, I'm more famous, dog, and more love than I've ever been. I go walk on the Miami strip anytime. I just. I just do it just to do it and just watch people go crazy. [01:17:04] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right. [01:17:05] Speaker B: I've never been this famous. [01:17:07] Speaker A: Was it loving hip hop that. Did it have helped you a lot? [01:17:10] Speaker B: Love and hip hop? I mean, you gotta think, like, if there's a household that has the mother and grandmother that's loving hip hop and all the reality shows, marriage, boot camp and next. [01:17:19] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:17:20] Speaker B: Love goes. So. So I got that. I got the older women. Then if the who just got out, who's in his 50s, he remembered me for made men already got out of jail or he's on probation on papers. Then I got the young, the Y N's and the young girls, because, hey, that's Corn and Ray's death. [01:17:36] Speaker C: Yeah, right, right. [01:17:37] Speaker A: You got the. [01:17:38] Speaker B: I got everybody in the house right now. You know what I'm saying? When they see me, they light up, right? They light the up, man. It's. It's a. It's a great feeling, right? So I know with a fan base like that, it's just a matter of time to get it, you know, to get that. To get that money flowing away. [01:17:54] Speaker A: I think the workout thing would be good because a lot of people work out And a lot of people be needing tips, pointers, especially nutrition, whatever supplements you're taking. [01:18:02] Speaker B: And yeah, I wanna. I wanna be able to do it because, you know, you know, people. People at 50 and over just give up, right? I want to show them, like, look, don't let these young or anybody tell you it's over. Like, are you kidding me? [01:18:13] Speaker C: Right? [01:18:14] Speaker B: Like, no, no. So the lifestyle, I really want to. And not just that. Help a lot of these guys with how they dress, the cologne they wear. [01:18:21] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:18:22] Speaker B: You know how to. How to approach a woman, right? The things to say, how, you know, I mean, because a lot of these guys lack that, right? There's a major lack in men because they didn't have no father, really, to show them how to do it. [01:18:33] Speaker C: You're right. You're right. [01:18:34] Speaker A: Yo, me and my cousin, that. That I. [01:18:36] Speaker B: When you. [01:18:36] Speaker A: When you did the video shoot in Bushwick, that. I came with my cousin. Me and him, we from Brooklyn. We be on the phone now talking about cologne and. Yo, they just got that such and [01:18:46] Speaker B: such, you know, bro, you'll be surprised. A lot of don't. Just don't know. [01:18:51] Speaker A: Nah, we know the colognes, man. [01:18:54] Speaker B: A lot of just don't know. [01:18:56] Speaker A: Yo, you got that why about ysl? This is some real. You got that why by ysl. [01:18:59] Speaker B: No, nah, nah. But you Hero by Burberry is ridiculous. [01:19:05] Speaker A: I'mma go. I'mma go check that they. I know they got it in Macy's. [01:19:10] Speaker B: Look, I want. Listen, I'mma tell you though. I was. I pulled over in my. In Miami at a rest stop, and they got like. They got the. The cologne people. So I said, you know, it's the Arabs. They got the Arab name on it. You don't know. [01:19:22] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [01:19:24] Speaker B: I said, they want $60 for it. And I put that on. That smell just like. [01:19:27] Speaker C: Like Aventus, right? [01:19:30] Speaker B: I bought the. Out that. [01:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the why smells so good. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Yo, the WI by 4 to 50. I said it. Let me get that. Man gonna know, man. It's like invented. [01:19:42] Speaker A: Listen, the why by ysl. I was in the movie theater and it was this. This big lesbian, like, stud. She was like, you smell good. What are you wearing? I'm like, yeah, you ready? I'm like, yo, you ready to. She was white. A White Studies McMuffin said something white one too. Like a. A ro. A Roseanne ball looking chick. Respectfully, wow. She was like, you smell good. I was like, yo, you ready to. Ready to convert that? Why about ysl, man? I'm telling you that. Oh, yeah, you're gonna get all the compliments and stuff like that, but, bro, [01:20:16] Speaker B: that's a hell of a compliment when a stud give you a couple. I don't got a couple compliments from studs, man. You know what I'm saying? It's a different compliment. Yeah. For real. [01:20:27] Speaker A: A white one, too. [01:20:28] Speaker C: Too. [01:20:30] Speaker A: With your social media, they keep taking you off Instagram, right? Yeah, yeah, you. So you on? Do we. [01:20:37] Speaker B: Come on now. Legend of Benzion. I got another one. [01:20:39] Speaker C: Okay. [01:20:40] Speaker B: You know, I mean, I just. It's just. It is what it is. [01:20:42] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:20:42] Speaker B: You know what I'm on now. You know, I'll be on Bego. [01:20:45] Speaker A: Oh, okay. What's your name on it? [01:20:47] Speaker B: It's. I don't know. I don't even. I gotta look back. I'm not even making money on. I just. I just. You. Like, I had 9,000 viewers on One on One Live. I say, God damn them, right? Like, I mean, that should be lit. And they don't troll you as much. It's all right. You know, I mean, you know what? You know what, dog? You'll be honest. Because of social media and how they keep knocking me, I'm at the point where I don't really. When I start my. My podcast and everything, I'm gonna get new pages for that. But I don't even. As far as personal. [01:21:17] Speaker C: Right? [01:21:18] Speaker B: It doesn't matter anymore. [01:21:19] Speaker C: Right? [01:21:20] Speaker B: Because. Because what matters to me is when I'm out is when I'm outside. [01:21:24] Speaker C: Right? Right. [01:21:25] Speaker B: I swear to God, man. [01:21:26] Speaker C: Right? [01:21:26] Speaker B: I swear to God. [01:21:27] Speaker A: The love is real when you touch the people. [01:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah, man. Man. Whoa, whoa. [01:21:31] Speaker A: Is because the Internet will trick you to think. When you go outside. Nobody like you to. When you go outside and you like, where's I. You never met a hater in your face. [01:21:41] Speaker B: I've never. And this is true. And I go everywhere by myself or my girl. [01:21:46] Speaker C: Right? [01:21:46] Speaker B: I've never ever, ever, ever had anybody say that thing to me ever, ever. Like these. I mean, I can't remember. Like, I've never been heckled. I mean, I. It's. It's the. And I can be anywhere, man. Bro. Like, anywhere. In Publix. In Publix. I just went to Publix, got me some vitamin water, some watermelon, and took three pictures. And the Jamaican lady at the. It's. It's always the working class, right? It's everybody, right? Like, I'm telling you, I got the whole demographic of people, man, from 9 to 99. And it's just a good feeling, dog. It is, man. [01:22:23] Speaker A: So you got the workout thing. You got some to be movies out there. How could they find a 2B movie? Just google your name. [01:22:28] Speaker B: Just. Just, you know what? Yeah, Google Benzino and I'll come up. There's a bunch of them. [01:22:32] Speaker A: You want to book too? You want to give your book out or. No, it's gonna get too crazy, huh? You on Facebook too? You want to get that out or get. Yeah, yeah, it's. [01:22:40] Speaker B: I think it's Raymond Scott. [01:22:41] Speaker A: Raymond. No, you Raymond Scott. Raymond. [01:22:43] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. I don't be. I got like this. I don't even. I know there's a lot of fake Benzinos, a lot of fake shits, but. [01:22:49] Speaker A: No, this Raymond Scott is you. [01:22:50] Speaker B: I don't know how to maneuver none of that. Like, I want to make my Facebook professional so I can have more than 5, 000 friends, because I can only get 5,000. [01:22:57] Speaker A: Well, you gotta create a. A fan page. [01:23:01] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, I don't. Then there is a fan page, but I'm not gonna get in it. No, but that kind of boss. So I don't, you know, [01:23:08] Speaker A: when you. When you come back in town, we gonna link up. I, you know, I know all this, bro. I'm just gonna sit down and be [01:23:13] Speaker B: like, yo, I just post my. I just post my shirtless pitch. Some of them get a million views, man. [01:23:19] Speaker C: Right. [01:23:19] Speaker B: And I know, you know, I mean, so I know when I. When I. When, you know, I know when I do my podcast. [01:23:24] Speaker A: But all of that could be monetized, though. [01:23:26] Speaker B: People want. People want to hear what Benzino say. You know, it's a blessing. [01:23:29] Speaker C: Right? Right. [01:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Because. Because lately I've been noticing you ain't been giving a. Like, you've been more vocal. Why is that? [01:23:34] Speaker B: I mean, it ain't necessarily giving a fuck. I'm just answering what the fuck is out there. [01:23:39] Speaker A: Okay. [01:23:39] Speaker C: Right, Right. [01:23:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not, you know, and again, I'm never ever the one to be politically correct. [01:23:43] Speaker C: Right, Right. [01:23:44] Speaker B: When it comes to good against me, I gotta. I gotta give it to you. No chaser. [01:23:48] Speaker C: Right. [01:23:49] Speaker B: You know, I mean, I can't. I can't play with my name. [01:23:52] Speaker C: Right. [01:23:52] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [01:23:53] Speaker C: Right. [01:23:53] Speaker B: You know, now if. If, like I said, the narratives, I understand if it's, you know, I don't worry about it. But when I get up on here and explain it, I'm gonna give it to you because don't give a. When they on here, so why should I? [01:24:05] Speaker C: Right. [01:24:05] Speaker B: You know what I'M saying. I'm saying. And what I say just isn't. I'm not saying it out of. No. Like, I'm gonna say it, like, how I feel. Like, whether it's, you know. You know, I said some about Stephen A. Smith and how I feel about him. [01:24:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:24:19] Speaker B: Like, you know, I'm. I'm gonna be keeping honest. [01:24:22] Speaker A: Yo, I got a lot of. [01:24:23] Speaker B: I got a lot of wisdom. [01:24:24] Speaker A: When I seen it, though, I was like, about time, because I've been. Yo, I've been telling. Yo. [01:24:30] Speaker C: You. [01:24:30] Speaker A: You got to. Because a lot of people in this space, and you just said something that's very, very important, and the audience need to know that you've been there. You sat in these meetings, you broke a deals, you broke a situation. You know about sponsorships, you know about all of that. And that's a lot of things that people don't know. They think this is just cut and dry. You go on the booth and rap. This get crazy. They get very, very political. [01:24:53] Speaker B: A lot of work. It's a lot of work. I told you before. [01:24:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:56] Speaker B: I've watched you. I've watched you grow. [01:24:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:24:59] Speaker B: And even. And there's an articulation that you. That you got down pat where you. You know, there's an articulation of how you do this, because when you sit by yourself and you doing these things, there's nobody in front of you. You're talking to the. So. [01:25:10] Speaker C: Right. [01:25:10] Speaker B: That's an art in itself on how to articulate that and be interesting. [01:25:14] Speaker C: Right. [01:25:15] Speaker A: People, you know, because some you'd be like, shut up. [01:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, ramble on. [01:25:19] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? [01:25:20] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:25:21] Speaker B: You do it. Well, I haven't even mastered it yet. I got to be able to master it when you talk, kind of have some spaces between your. You know. [01:25:28] Speaker C: Right. [01:25:28] Speaker B: Come again? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm. I've watched. I've watched Nori do it. I've watched Gilly. See, I've known all these before. They were podcasts. [01:25:36] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:25:37] Speaker B: You know, you know, Joe. Joe Button. [01:25:39] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:25:40] Speaker B: You know, I watch all these, and they all salute to all of them, you know, to everybody. But I've watched, you know, they, you know, there's a way to do it, and I've watched everyone do it. So, you know, I got to get myself up there, because sometimes I get. I get so amped, you know what I'm saying? I can get amped up, but it'd [01:25:55] Speaker A: be dope, though, because that's you, though. And the thing about. Even when I did the drink chance, when I had my episode, so I called you, I'm like, yo, that's Benzino. That's my bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, I like. Because I'm not one thing about me. I'm not ashamed of you. [01:26:09] Speaker B: No. [01:26:09] Speaker A: So I'm not ashamed. [01:26:11] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:26:11] Speaker A: You know I love you to death. I'm not ashamed of you. Real. Yeah. I'm not ashamed of you. [01:26:15] Speaker B: There's too many. And not just. It could be your family members that. It's like, damn, if the Internet don't like them. I can't like the music. So I'm scared of what the Internet's gonna think of me. [01:26:24] Speaker A: I always say that's, that's. That's my big bro. Like. Like, I don't with none of y' all say you can't. [01:26:28] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:26:29] Speaker A: Because. Because when it comes to a loyalty again, if you disloyal in that street, you get your head knocked off. So this is how we grew up. We've been. We lived that more than we lived this. So how did this change you, Pat? How did you forget all that for this? Nah, that still applied because again, when we go outside, somebody will kick a bone out your ass if you play a certain way. So that's why a lot of dudes don't be outside. You'll be in states all over, you [01:26:55] Speaker B: know, stand even back then, back then, when people were outside, the 70s, the 80s, there was no Internet. There was a big part of the population that never came outside. [01:27:05] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:27:05] Speaker B: It was inside. [01:27:06] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:27:06] Speaker B: It's just as simple as that. [01:27:08] Speaker C: And. [01:27:08] Speaker A: And then. [01:27:09] Speaker B: So now the Internet gave them a world, and I get it. [01:27:11] Speaker C: Right. [01:27:11] Speaker B: So now the niggas who was outside, they have to adjust and adapt to learn this world. [01:27:16] Speaker C: Right? [01:27:16] Speaker B: Because it's not. It's not the same world. [01:27:18] Speaker A: And when I. And when I was little, I always had guns and was wilding and you know what I'm saying? Like, when you first met me, I was just wild, wild. You know what I'm saying? [01:27:27] Speaker B: Shooting BB's at the hotel. [01:27:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I was just, wow. You know what I'm saying? [01:27:31] Speaker B: This is wild. The little bastards was wild. [01:27:33] Speaker A: It's coming from Brooklyn and it just was just. [01:27:35] Speaker B: I just saw bees. [01:27:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Yup. [01:27:37] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Recipes to have. So it was like, I. Oh, and we gotta. If we could get the. Get the crew together to talk about that source tour, because that's documentary worthy. [01:27:50] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd Be Dope Search, Rest in Peace. To Biz Shawnee. Yeah. Shantay. Red hot lover. The 18 buck. [01:27:58] Speaker A: Wow. The producer. [01:28:00] Speaker B: Wow. [01:28:00] Speaker A: Lloyd Finesse. You know who we didn't talk about last night? [01:28:05] Speaker B: Came on a couple of dates. [01:28:06] Speaker A: Pharaoh March. [01:28:10] Speaker B: Organized Noise. [01:28:11] Speaker A: Oc. No, oc. You know, Organized Confusion. Organized confusion. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Organized confusion. [01:28:15] Speaker A: Look, OC Was there, too. You knew that, right? [01:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:28:18] Speaker A: OC Was there because, remember, they had the. [01:28:20] Speaker B: I met them. I met them when I was recording with Paul City. [01:28:23] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:28:24] Speaker A: So you had them Queens, right? You had Power Rule. Was there. [01:28:28] Speaker B: Power Rule. [01:28:29] Speaker A: You had Cooley live. He was from. I forgot where he was from. Yeah. You know, I remember everybody. [01:28:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:35] Speaker A: And. And we had the almighty RSO RSO Crew. Fly Ty was there sometimes. Fly Ty, the CEO. Cold Chilling was there. Oj. OJ with oj Wedlord. [01:28:48] Speaker C: He. [01:28:50] Speaker A: OJ Was there. Yep. Even Chris Latimer. Remember, he had to own the HBCU sweaters. [01:28:56] Speaker B: Chris last. Yes, he had those. He had the whole gear. And there was boxes of gear under the toy. [01:29:03] Speaker A: Somebody stole them. Remember? Somebody. [01:29:04] Speaker B: Somebody stole them. [01:29:05] Speaker A: Yo. That's what I'm saying. The tall story that we had. I was 15 on there. Wow. [01:29:10] Speaker B: Those are. Those. Those. Those. That's when Spike Lee was doing those college movies. [01:29:15] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [01:29:16] Speaker B: So that's all. So that was that cross that was killing it. [01:29:20] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:29:21] Speaker B: If you think about it, he was ahead of his time because those. Those hoodies and sweatsuits could rock right now. [01:29:28] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:29:28] Speaker A: I think he still got them because me and my cousin ran into him in la and I had reminded him, like, yo, I remember you from the Source tour. You know what I'm saying? Where was they from, though? Because they had to come with y'. [01:29:40] Speaker C: All. [01:29:40] Speaker A: Right? [01:29:40] Speaker B: Not sure. I'm not sure. [01:29:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:29:42] Speaker B: I'm not sure. [01:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:43] Speaker B: Now, I want to say Philly was Chris from Philly. I'm not sure. I think it was Philly. [01:29:47] Speaker C: Right. [01:29:47] Speaker B: Dc, I'm not sure. [01:29:49] Speaker C: Right. [01:29:49] Speaker A: But he had all them sweaters somewhere, like, around there. [01:29:53] Speaker C: Right? [01:29:54] Speaker A: So, yeah, Biz was the dj, rest in peace to Biz. Remember, Shantae would do Big Mama in some of them states. It would get crazy. They don't know about that dis record. Yeah, she was the headliner. She was the headliner. And thanks to her, we got to go. You know what I'm saying? That was my first, [01:30:14] Speaker B: man. Every time we see each other, man. You know what I'm saying? That, like. Like, that's. This. [01:30:18] Speaker A: That's. Yeah, that's what I'm saying? Like, like. And like I said, I was 15. I was the tour. I was her tour DJ in my group. You know what I'm saying? [01:30:24] Speaker B: So dope. [01:30:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So we gotta know. We gotta put that together because Buck wild like so many from that tour, bro. I think that's how OC met Lord Finessing them and became ditc. Did you know that? [01:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, from that tour. [01:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah, from that tour. [01:30:38] Speaker B: So that brought Mother was before he met. [01:30:42] Speaker A: No, he knew Pope at the time. No, Pope was there. Poke was there. Because Poke is the one who drove me to North Carolina. That was the first stop was nc. They know that I was in the car with Pope. But it was four track masters back then. [01:30:54] Speaker B: I didn't know that. [01:30:55] Speaker A: It was Pope Tone, Frank Nitty and Al Richburg. [01:30:58] Speaker B: It was four Damn doggy. [01:31:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:01] Speaker C: And. [01:31:01] Speaker A: Cause that was around the time time they still was doing chub rock music. So that's how. That's how the A team came. And you know one of the A team is Hot Dog. [01:31:10] Speaker B: That was dance. [01:31:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know who Hot Dog is messing in, messing with back then? Mona Scott. [01:31:17] Speaker B: When you say messing with what? She was managing them. [01:31:19] Speaker A: They was in a relationship, bro. [01:31:21] Speaker B: Get the out. [01:31:22] Speaker A: I'm telling you. No, I'm telling you. Some hip hop history. Yeah, Mona was his girl. [01:31:28] Speaker B: Oh, [01:31:31] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. Hot diggity. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, that's. That was his. They was in a relationship, bro. That was his girl. Because Mona was our first Mona Me. That was. That was, you know, that was my camp Mona. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:31:46] Speaker B: I didn't know that. [01:31:47] Speaker A: So I. I had tweeted, you see [01:31:49] Speaker B: more than loving hip hop, you'd be like, wow. [01:31:51] Speaker A: Yeah. She come from. She. She had a management company. Always had a management company since back then. [01:31:56] Speaker B: Then. [01:31:57] Speaker A: But she was dating Hot Dog back then. [01:31:59] Speaker B: I didn't know that. That's. That's. I didn't know that. We definitely got to do a. [01:32:03] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it was. So much got birthed from that tour. That's why I'm saying it's important so much. Mona was. [01:32:10] Speaker B: That was 20. That was 20. Almost 25 years ago. I mean, let me see. 1991. [01:32:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:15] Speaker A: I'm about to say that's over 25 years ago. [01:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's 35 years. [01:32:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:20] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:32:22] Speaker A: A lot. I don't even know. I don't feel like doing math right now. It's like 30 something years yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mona Scott was his girl, bro. Mona Scott. [01:32:30] Speaker C: Yep. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Cause I, you know, I was always in the studio with that. We was they group. We was track masters group. But we had this situation with Coachella living large at the time, you know what I'm saying? And it was. A lot of people got birth from that store. A lot of relationships that never. That we still have to this day. Buck wild, O.C. lord finesse. I went to DITC studio, rocking with them, you know what I'm saying? Like, a lot from that tour, though. That's why I'm saying it's important. [01:32:55] Speaker B: Yeah, Diamond D did a couple of dates. That's what I meant. [01:32:58] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:33:00] Speaker B: that's dope. [01:33:01] Speaker A: But. All right, yo, you know, we could. We could talk all night. We do talk sometimes. [01:33:06] Speaker B: Come on, doggy. But you know, when you call me, I'm there. You let me know. [01:33:09] Speaker A: I would let people know. This guy, I could call him first ring. This ain't. We don't do industry stuff. [01:33:15] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:33:16] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? You knew me back when. I was just G Dog back then. [01:33:21] Speaker B: What's up, doggy? [01:33:22] Speaker A: He was Ray Dog. You know what I'm saying? But like I said, you know, anything you want, anything you need, anything, just hit me. I'm always the phone call away. Cause anytime I call you, you've always picked up. Back when you used to have to call my house phone because we knew each other before beepers. I was too little. I have a beeper anyway. But you used to call the house, you know what I'm saying? And they was like, ray Dog called for you. And I'm like, yo, I'm Wherever you at. You come to Brooklyn. Like, I'm there. [01:33:49] Speaker B: Yo, I appreciate you, my. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. [01:33:53] Speaker A: What's the photo shoot you did there? I'm trying to find a photo shoot for the source because that's my gun. I'm trying to think. What photos? You remember the photos, too? You needed a gun in the book. [01:34:01] Speaker B: That was a long. That was a long time. [01:34:03] Speaker A: But you had the chick that you had with you became a big video vixen back then. I'm trying to think. We was in Bushwick, Brooklyn, bro. And you called me. You was like, yo, I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go. And I called my cousin Tad. I said, yo, we gotta go hold Ray down. He and he and bk. It was in Bushwick, Brooklyn. [01:34:21] Speaker B: It wasn't Melissa Ford. [01:34:22] Speaker A: Wasn't Melissa Ford. It was the one before. I'm gonna find her picture and send [01:34:25] Speaker B: her to find out, bro. [01:34:27] Speaker A: Yeah, because she's the main girl in Rump Shaker video. One of the main girls in Rump Shaker video. That's where I remember her from. And Rump Shaker, she one of the main girls. This back when the girls is natural, though, so they. You know, they'll be lost in the source now. [01:34:42] Speaker B: Yeah, there was so many, bro. [01:34:44] Speaker A: I'm gonna find that. But I have no clue. Them bullets, I'm saying. Yeah. [01:34:49] Speaker B: Like, I've dated so many celebrities, so many. And women and actresses and rappers, like, they don't know what happened when they see me. On loving hip hop, it was like, all right, but before loving hip hop, man, listen, when the sauce was cracking. Oh, yeah. Like, I can't even remember, like, Jeff be having to remember me. Like, video girls, actresses, rappers. It was. It was. It was a long list. [01:35:10] Speaker A: Speaking of which, wasn't Bambi your girlfriend first? [01:35:14] Speaker B: Nah, we dated. We dated, but nothing ever came of it because she really was. She really was into scrappy. But, you know, we did the infamous hot tub. [01:35:23] Speaker A: That's what I'm. That's all I remember. Yeah. That's all I remember. [01:35:26] Speaker C: All right. [01:35:26] Speaker A: Yeah, so. So that's. That's. Well, I ain't gonna get you to blow that up. [01:35:31] Speaker B: That was loving hip hop was, you know, like. Like I said, loving hip hop was okay. You know? Cause be like, damn, boy, y', all, we have some babies on before love and hip hop, I'm telling you. [01:35:41] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. [01:35:42] Speaker B: You gotta understand, it was. It was a different Benzino back then. That was. That was Super Millionaire Benzino. It was different. [01:35:49] Speaker A: Right, but now we gonna. We gonna do all we could, man, to get you back where you need to be, just for peace, for the culture. You know what I'm saying? But like I said, when you. When you touch the town, make sure you hit me, because I'm gonna pull up on you and show you some on that. On that computer. I bring my MacBook or whatever. [01:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I need to see all that. [01:36:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:36:08] Speaker A: Cause this masters this because. [01:36:12] Speaker B: Yeah, because we need that out there, man. People love that, man. [01:36:14] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:36:15] Speaker A: This is. [01:36:15] Speaker B: They don't. But people don't believe until you put their face in it, you know? [01:36:19] Speaker A: That's why when people say that, I [01:36:20] Speaker B: tell you what, they face it. [01:36:21] Speaker A: But this is what I'm saying. When people talk about you, I'll be like, damn, that a gangster. Like, ah, y' all in. [01:36:28] Speaker B: But I know, but. But see, I know how to turn it off, too. [01:36:31] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:36:32] Speaker B: I don't. I don't gotta wear that, you know. [01:36:33] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [01:36:34] Speaker A: No, but I'm just talking about what people be playing with. Your name and your likeness and all that. I'll be like, y' all got him up. That's not. He's not who you think he is. The Internet, y', all perception is all wrong. Trust me. The only reason why I'm saying it, I saw it with my own two eyes. This ain't speculation. I seen them get busy, you know what I'm saying? I seen them a thousand deep, you know? [01:36:57] Speaker B: It was a regular thing. Yeah, it was how we grew up. [01:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:01] Speaker B: Yep. [01:37:02] Speaker A: All right, bro. I'm gonna let you go. As soon as you hit the town, call me and I'm gonna pull up on it. Yep. Later on. Love you, bro. [01:37:08] Speaker B: I love you more, dog. [01:37:09] Speaker A: All right.